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There are many unselfish individuals in this world who work to fix things, but as a group, and a group of countries, we are so selfish that the problem of globa

There are many unselfish individuals in this world who work to fix things, but as a group, and a group of countries, we are so selfish that the problem of global warming will never be stopped. Nor the many other gigantic crises that face the earth such as plastic pollution. As there is no way the people of earth will unify to fix this, better start getting ready sometime in the next 20 years for a gigantic shift in where people see civilization is headed.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago
Not with that attitude, we won’t. The ozone layer disaster never materialized because we fixed it. Giving in to fatalism on this is deeply disappointing.
- hshehehjdjdjd 9y ago
  It’s also worth noting that a lot of indicators are moving in the right direction for stopping global warming. It won’t stop before it’s become a significant problem. But we should be able to stop it before it becomes apocalyptic.
  - wiz21c 9y ago
    could you give some of those indicators, because I fail to find them (number of cars increases, energy consumption increases, CO2 in atmosphere increases, ocean "acidification" increases,...). I'd be so happy to have some good news !
    - hshehehjdjdjd 9y ago
      Things I’m looking at are cars per capita, energy per capita, CO2 per capita, and the second derivative of population.
dbasedweeb 9y ago
There’s also no way that any amount of your preparations will materially improve your chances. If you stockpile, and civilization collapses, you will be raided for your stockpiles by stronger, better armed people. There will always be stronger, better armed people. If you prepare to live off land, how is that going to work when the land is dead? There’s no escape for you or your family, except averting disaster in the first place, or death. Unless your prepping amounts to a suicide pact, then it’s just a fantasy to keep you from being too afraid. As comforting fantasies go, prepping seems like a particularly expensive and time-consuming one. Unless you’re desperate for the illusion of control, your time and money is better spent elsewhere.
- flukus 9y ago
  > There will always be stronger, better armed people I we're running from a lion I don't have to be faster than the lion, just faster than you. I lock my doors for the same reason. My lock won't keep out someone determined to get in but they'll dissuade a casual opportunist.
  - dbasedweeb 9y ago
    Find me the casual opportunist in the apocalypse; it would all be starving lions, and a lot of lions. If you want a preview, study famous famines and sieges, like the siege of Stalingrad, and the Holodomor. I’ll say it again, prepping for something other than limited disaster (i.e. a hurricane or earthquake) is only realistically achieved by trying to avert doom, or buy a gun and as many bullets as your family has members.
    - flukus 9y ago
      > it would all be starving lions, and a lot of lions 90% of us would be better classed as the gazelle in this analogy. Even the lions would be fighting each other for dominance. > If you want a preview, study famous famines and sieges, like the siege of Stalingrad, and the Holodomor Most hardcore preppers either live outside a city or plan to escape the city pretty quickly, so I don't know what Stalingrad is supposed to prove. Were their people with remote bunkers and years of food supplies when holodomor happened?

aaronbrethorst 9y ago

Not with that attitude, we won’t. The ozone layer disaster never materialized because we fixed it. Giving in to fatalism on this is deeply disappointing.

hshehehjdjdjd 9y ago
It’s also worth noting that a lot of indicators are moving in the right direction for stopping global warming. It won’t stop before it’s become a significant problem. But we should be able to stop it before it becomes apocalyptic.
- wiz21c 9y ago
  could you give some of those indicators, because I fail to find them (number of cars increases, energy consumption increases, CO2 in atmosphere increases, ocean "acidification" increases,...). I'd be so happy to have some good news !
  - hshehehjdjdjd 9y ago
    Things I’m looking at are cars per capita, energy per capita, CO2 per capita, and the second derivative of population.

dbasedweeb 9y ago

There’s also no way that any amount of your preparations will materially improve your chances. If you stockpile, and civilization collapses, you will be raided for your stockpiles by stronger, better armed people. There will always be stronger, better armed people. If you prepare to live off land, how is that going to work when the land is dead? There’s no escape for you or your family, except averting disaster in the first place, or death. Unless your prepping amounts to a suicide pact, then it’s just a fantasy to keep you from being too afraid. As comforting fantasies go, prepping seems like a particularly expensive and time-consuming one. Unless you’re desperate for the illusion of control, your time and money is better spent elsewhere.

flukus 9y ago
> There will always be stronger, better armed people I we're running from a lion I don't have to be faster than the lion, just faster than you. I lock my doors for the same reason. My lock won't keep out someone determined to get in but they'll dissuade a casual opportunist.
- dbasedweeb 9y ago
  Find me the casual opportunist in the apocalypse; it would all be starving lions, and a lot of lions. If you want a preview, study famous famines and sieges, like the siege of Stalingrad, and the Holodomor. I’ll say it again, prepping for something other than limited disaster (i.e. a hurricane or earthquake) is only realistically achieved by trying to avert doom, or buy a gun and as many bullets as your family has members.
  - flukus 9y ago
    > it would all be starving lions, and a lot of lions 90% of us would be better classed as the gazelle in this analogy. Even the lions would be fighting each other for dominance. > If you want a preview, study famous famines and sieges, like the siege of Stalingrad, and the Holodomor Most hardcore preppers either live outside a city or plan to escape the city pretty quickly, so I don't know what Stalingrad is supposed to prove. Were their people with remote bunkers and years of food supplies when holodomor happened?