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> [T]he latest proposal from the head of the copyright committee would deny creators the right to refuse remuneration — the right to share a work without gettin

> [T]he latest proposal from the head of the copyright committee would deny creators the right to refuse remuneration — the right to share a work without getting paid — which could undermine the use of CC licenses if approved. This threatens all Open Source too! EDIT: Ok, missing from the article, but this would only apply to "press publications" by "publishers of press publications and news agencies": https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf UPDATE: full picture here: https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-reform/extra-copyright-for-news-sites/ https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-reform/extra-copyright-for...

c3o 9y ago
This particular new right would apply only to "publishers of press publications and news agencies" (to quote one of the recent drafts), which is why I added "in journalism" to the title to clarify [edit: but mods removed it]. Open source is unfortunately threatened by a different provision, which would force GitHub and other code hosts to implement "ContentID"-like filters trying to detect copyright infringement in commits: https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filters-code/ https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filter...
- _jal 9y ago
  Some quick googling didn't turn up an answer - do you know how "publishers of press publications and news agencies" are defined? Does my blog count?
  - DanBC 9y ago
    https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf > For the purposes of this Directive, it is necessary to define the concept of press publication in a way that embraces only journalistic publications, published by a service provider, periodically or regularly updated in any media, for the purpose of informing or entertaining. Such publications would include, for instance, daily newspapers, weekly or monthly magazines of general or special interest and news websites. Periodical publications which are published for scientific or academic purposes, such as scientific journals, should not be covered by the protection granted to press publications under this Directive. This protection does not extend to acts of hyperlinking which do not constitute communication to the public according to the judgements of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU), notably hyperlinking to content which is available in the internet to the public with the consent of the rightholder, and hyperlinking to content which is available on another website without the consent of the rightholder for non commercial purposes by a person who did not know or could not reasonably have known the illegal nature of the publication of those works on that other website (CJEU Judgement of September 8, 2016 in Case C-160/15).
    - _jal 9y ago
      Thank you!
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pbhjpbhj 9y ago
You mean FOSS presumably, rather than OSS, a requirement to pay producers wouldn't end OSS. Even FOSS could continue, with a company paying the creator(s) and the public receiving the OSS for free. It would hamstring it though. Your quote does a similar thing in saying "refusing remuneration" is "sharing a work without getting paid" they are notably different. If no-one offered payment you wouldn't need to refuse; the scope is quite different. Legal discussion needs (frustratingly) exact language.
- icebraining 9y ago
  FOSS and OSS are mostly the same. The Free in FOSS is not about the price.
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    Ok, yes, I mean free-gratis OSS; apologies if I erred.

c3o 9y ago

This particular new right would apply only to "publishers of press publications and news agencies" (to quote one of the recent drafts), which is why I added "in journalism" to the title to clarify [edit: but mods removed it]. Open source is unfortunately threatened by a different provision, which would force GitHub and other code hosts to implement "ContentID"-like filters trying to detect copyright infringement in commits: https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filters-code/ https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filter...

_jal 9y ago
Some quick googling didn't turn up an answer - do you know how "publishers of press publications and news agencies" are defined? Does my blog count?
- DanBC 9y ago
  https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf > For the purposes of this Directive, it is necessary to define the concept of press publication in a way that embraces only journalistic publications, published by a service provider, periodically or regularly updated in any media, for the purpose of informing or entertaining. Such publications would include, for instance, daily newspapers, weekly or monthly magazines of general or special interest and news websites. Periodical publications which are published for scientific or academic purposes, such as scientific journals, should not be covered by the protection granted to press publications under this Directive. This protection does not extend to acts of hyperlinking which do not constitute communication to the public according to the judgements of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU), notably hyperlinking to content which is available in the internet to the public with the consent of the rightholder, and hyperlinking to content which is available on another website without the consent of the rightholder for non commercial purposes by a person who did not know or could not reasonably have known the illegal nature of the publication of those works on that other website (CJEU Judgement of September 8, 2016 in Case C-160/15).
  - _jal 9y ago
    Thank you!

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pbhjpbhj 9y ago

You mean FOSS presumably, rather than OSS, a requirement to pay producers wouldn't end OSS. Even FOSS could continue, with a company paying the creator(s) and the public receiving the OSS for free. It would hamstring it though. Your quote does a similar thing in saying "refusing remuneration" is "sharing a work without getting paid" they are notably different. If no-one offered payment you wouldn't need to refuse; the scope is quite different. Legal discussion needs (frustratingly) exact language.

icebraining 9y ago
FOSS and OSS are mostly the same. The Free in FOSS is not about the price.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  Ok, yes, I mean free-gratis OSS; apologies if I erred.