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> Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. It's not the same thing at all. Strikes may delay people, and they do, but they don't in

by V-2 9y ago

> Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. It's not the same thing at all. Strikes may delay people, and they do, but they don't involve deception. Strikes, especially, though not exclusively, transport strikes, are announced - and announced in advance. Even if - say - your local surgery strikes, surely they won't book you an appointment, then trick you into sitting in their waiting room, while noone is actually going to see you.

amelius 9y ago
The comparison to surgeons is not adequate. We're talking here about people with little savings, and little to no other job opportunities. The rebellious acts of these people and the collateral inconveniences they cause are rather small compared to the moral injustice that is imposed on these people. And yes, you, as a client of Uber are also guilty to some extent. Perhaps ask yourself this question: what amount of money would be necessary to put me out of business? Imagine that someone stands up and brings together a bunch of VCs and collects that money. Imagine that you have invested a lot in your current business, and you have nowhere to go if you lost that business. That's the situation we're talking about here.
- V-2 9y ago
  > The comparison to surgeons is not adequate I meant a surgery as in primary care physicians or dentists, not surgeons. It could be a barber though, or whatever really. You're missing the point I laid out explicitly - strikes aren't based on deception, and are announced. And it's for a reason: to maximize the impact it has on the employer, while at the same time minimizing it for the "guilty to some extent" average people. Which is the exact opposite of the strategy you described.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    Deception is required when you're fighting against an adversary (Uber) where there is a drastic power imbalance. Uber does not fight fare, so therefore, neither should those fighting against them.

by V-2 9y ago

amelius 9y ago

The comparison to surgeons is not adequate. We're talking here about people with little savings, and little to no other job opportunities. The rebellious acts of these people and the collateral inconveniences they cause are rather small compared to the moral injustice that is imposed on these people. And yes, you, as a client of Uber are also guilty to some extent. Perhaps ask yourself this question: what amount of money would be necessary to put me out of business? Imagine that someone stands up and brings together a bunch of VCs and collects that money. Imagine that you have invested a lot in your current business, and you have nowhere to go if you lost that business. That's the situation we're talking about here.

V-2 9y ago
> The comparison to surgeons is not adequate I meant a surgery as in primary care physicians or dentists, not surgeons. It could be a barber though, or whatever really. You're missing the point I laid out explicitly - strikes aren't based on deception, and are announced. And it's for a reason: to maximize the impact it has on the employer, while at the same time minimizing it for the "guilty to some extent" average people. Which is the exact opposite of the strategy you described.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  Deception is required when you're fighting against an adversary (Uber) where there is a drastic power imbalance. Uber does not fight fare, so therefore, neither should those fighting against them.