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So it's like protesting against eBay by tricking ordinary people into putting orders you have no intention of ever shipping? Just because someone has a beef wi

by V-2 9y ago

So it's like protesting against eBay by tricking ordinary people into putting orders you have no intention of ever shipping? Just because someone has a beef with Uber doesn't mean it's a good excuse for making me late by trolling me into a transaction they are not willing to fulfill to begin with. I'm not Uber. It's like getting a job at McDonald's and sabotaging from the inside (because they made your hot-dog stand go bust). If that's the level of social ethics they demonstrated at their prior reasonably good jobs, I'm not too surprised about their losing them.

amelius 9y ago
I don't think that's reasonable. Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. Besides, Uber has a history of ignoring laws and regulations themselves. These people are being sent into a race to the bottom by an outsider. An outsider who just happened to have attracted a big pile of money in a faraway country.
- V-2 9y ago
  > Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. It's not the same thing at all. Strikes may delay people, and they do, but they don't involve deception. Strikes, especially, though not exclusively, transport strikes, are announced - and announced in advance. Even if - say - your local surgery strikes, surely they won't book you an appointment, then trick you into sitting in their waiting room, while noone is actually going to see you.
  - amelius 9y ago
    The comparison to surgeons is not adequate. We're talking here about people with little savings, and little to no other job opportunities. The rebellious acts of these people and the collateral inconveniences they cause are rather small compared to the moral injustice that is imposed on these people. And yes, you, as a client of Uber are also guilty to some extent. Perhaps ask yourself this question: what amount of money would be necessary to put me out of business? Imagine that someone stands up and brings together a bunch of VCs and collects that money. Imagine that you have invested a lot in your current business, and you have nowhere to go if you lost that business. That's the situation we're talking about here.
    - V-2 9y ago
      > The comparison to surgeons is not adequate I meant a surgery as in primary care physicians or dentists, not surgeons. It could be a barber though, or whatever really. You're missing the point I laid out explicitly - strikes aren't based on deception, and are announced. And it's for a reason: to maximize the impact it has on the employer, while at the same time minimizing it for the "guilty to some extent" average people. Which is the exact opposite of the strategy you described.
      - toomuchtodo 9y ago
        Deception is required when you're fighting against an adversary (Uber) where there is a drastic power imbalance. Uber does not fight fare, so therefore, neither should those fighting against them.

by V-2 9y ago

amelius 9y ago

I don't think that's reasonable. Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. Besides, Uber has a history of ignoring laws and regulations themselves. These people are being sent into a race to the bottom by an outsider. An outsider who just happened to have attracted a big pile of money in a faraway country.

V-2 9y ago
> Stuff like this (delaying people) happens with strikes all the time. It's not the same thing at all. Strikes may delay people, and they do, but they don't involve deception. Strikes, especially, though not exclusively, transport strikes, are announced - and announced in advance. Even if - say - your local surgery strikes, surely they won't book you an appointment, then trick you into sitting in their waiting room, while noone is actually going to see you.
- amelius 9y ago
  The comparison to surgeons is not adequate. We're talking here about people with little savings, and little to no other job opportunities. The rebellious acts of these people and the collateral inconveniences they cause are rather small compared to the moral injustice that is imposed on these people. And yes, you, as a client of Uber are also guilty to some extent. Perhaps ask yourself this question: what amount of money would be necessary to put me out of business? Imagine that someone stands up and brings together a bunch of VCs and collects that money. Imagine that you have invested a lot in your current business, and you have nowhere to go if you lost that business. That's the situation we're talking about here.
  - V-2 9y ago
    > The comparison to surgeons is not adequate I meant a surgery as in primary care physicians or dentists, not surgeons. It could be a barber though, or whatever really. You're missing the point I laid out explicitly - strikes aren't based on deception, and are announced. And it's for a reason: to maximize the impact it has on the employer, while at the same time minimizing it for the "guilty to some extent" average people. Which is the exact opposite of the strategy you described.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      Deception is required when you're fighting against an adversary (Uber) where there is a drastic power imbalance. Uber does not fight fare, so therefore, neither should those fighting against them.