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If anyone is interested in a way to treat E. gallinarum—and other potentially pathogens—without antibiotics, you should look into phage therapy. Phages are viru
by cyrusshepard 8y ago
If anyone is interested in a way to treat E. gallinarum—and other potentially pathogens—without antibiotics, you should look into phage therapy. Phages are viruses that attack specific bacteria, have been used for decades, are commercially available (even on Amazon) and are generally considered safe for human consumption.
Granted, phage therapy typically targets gut pathogens, and in this study the E. gallinarum had traveled to other parts of the body. But many people I have talked to who use phage therapy have reported improved symptoms and in some cases even reversal of autoimmune disease.
And yes, phages that you can buy today without a prescription target
Enterococcus bacteria, which includes E. gallinarum.
The gut is a wonderful, mysterious place that most of us neglect.
- amelius 8y agoSounds interesting, but how would you know which species to attack?
- cyrusshepard 8y agoMost commercial phages in the US (can't speak for the rest of the world) are comprised of these 4: LH01 – Myoviridae LL5 – Siphoviridae T4D Myoviridae LL12 – Myoviridae You can research all of these, but these 4 specifically target a specific but broad range of potentially pathogenic bacteria, including E. Coli (though not all E. Coli is bad) and other species. Generally if you take them together they provide effective treatment against a broad range of inflammatory agents. Disclaimer: Not a doctor, just someone who suffered decades of gut problems and eventually healed himself.
- amelius 8y agoWould these bacteria show up in a stool test? It would have my preference to first test myself, with the benefits of not taking any therapies I don't need, AND also for getting an objective measure of the effectiveness of the therapy. By the way, I've read that phage therapy is big in Georgia: https://www.nature.com/news/phage-therapy-gets-revitalized-1.15348 https://www.nature.com/news/phage-therapy-gets-revitalized-1...
- cyrusshepard 8y agoTo a degree. Also, depends on the service you use for testing. For example, Ubiome will show your bacteria down the genus level (e.g. Enterococcus) but not the species level (e.g. Enterococcus gallinarum)
- dennis_jeeves 8y agocyrusshepard, I have 2 questions: -How long did you suffer from gut problems, and what exactly wer the symptoms? -How long did it take for the problem to resolve after you started taking the phages?
- JoshMnem 8y agoDo you know where to find more information on that? (If you would be willing to answer a few questions about it, my email address is on my profile.)
- cyrusshepard 8y agoFWIW, I started learning about phage therapy from John Herron, who runs the Gut Health Protocol. He sells a phage product so keep that in mind, but he's gathered a lot of research here: https://www.theguthealthprotocol.com/wp/phage-therapy/ https://www.theguthealthprotocol.com/wp/phage-therapy/
- mrfusion 8y agoI think gum disease could be a really powerful application for phage therapy. As I understand it there’s really just one or a few species causing the inflammation. Most bacteria in your mouth is good and just wants to mind it’s own business.