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> some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" If you are big enough to have to worry about this

by gist 9y ago

> some traction on HN as everyone is trying to figure out: "Do I need to do something for this? Is so, what?" If you are big enough to have to worry about this you are probably a company with plenty of resources to think and comply with this. So it's hard to imagine how many readers of HN are getting their answers on HN (or similar). If you are small time nobody is going to come after you. Sure something could happen and you could also get a traffic ticket going 57 in a 55 zone and a host of other outlier events. > AKA: be paranoid about keeping them, encrypt them, use SSL on your site, respond to requests from people if they ask if you have them, fix them if they're wrong, don't use them if they say you can't. One size fits all advice doesn't make sense in this and in other similar cases. You will spend a great deal of time and effort dealing with 'maybe's' instead of the day to day.

michaelbuckbee 9y ago
In general I agree with your assessment, that being said I do think that the GDPR is a decent set of guidelines for putting in place a system that respects user data in a way that clearly has not been happening.
- deltron3030 9y ago
  Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place? It's a solution applied at the wrong level, a or wrongly drawn system boundary if you will. The damage it causes is psychological, preventing many EU businesses from starting in first place. They're destroying the food chain for startups (small independent businesses). The EU and politcians are anti UX, they have no clue about the effect of their laws on people.
  - 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
    > Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place? "The first place" would be not collecting it, an option that companies are seriously considering for nonessential data that they previously collected merely because it was convenient and accepted to do so.
freehunter 9y ago
>If you are big enough to have to worry about this you are probably a company with plenty of resources to think and comply with this You'd be surprised. GDPR is vague enough and just open to interpretation enough that there are many different companies interpreting it in many different ways. I'm a consultant and I talk to many multi-nationals and all of them have their own spin on it. Especially around the "except when necessary for security purposes" section. That right there is broad enough that "security purposes" can mean almost anything as long as you make sure your security team has access to that data.
- testplzignore 9y ago
  My company is one that everyone on HN has heard of, and they are interpreting it as "don't worry, we don't need to make any changes because _____". It will be interesting to see if they change their tune as May 25 approaches.
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    The EU are totally threatening fines of the greater of €20M or 4% of global turnover because they want to preserve the status quo. /s
hopeless 9y ago
If you outside the EU, it really isn’t about “anyone coming after you”. Even within the EU the enforcement actions currently err of the side of a stern warning rather than fine (except in the most deliberate cases). Though that may change. Either way, you shouldn’t be doing it out of fear. You should be complying for practical business reason 1. This is how you should be treating personal data. 2. In exchange for complying with GDPR, you get access to a market of >700m people. If you’re a service provider, it’s illegal for any EU business to be your customer without GDPR compliance.
- jimmaswell 9y ago
  I wonder if a significant amount of small businesses/startups are going to simply not do business with the EU because of GDPR. I know I'd probably rather not have to deal with it if I had a small app or something.

by gist 9y ago

michaelbuckbee 9y ago

In general I agree with your assessment, that being said I do think that the GDPR is a decent set of guidelines for putting in place a system that respects user data in a way that clearly has not been happening.

deltron3030 9y ago
Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place? It's a solution applied at the wrong level, a or wrongly drawn system boundary if you will. The damage it causes is psychological, preventing many EU businesses from starting in first place. They're destroying the food chain for startups (small independent businesses). The EU and politcians are anti UX, they have no clue about the effect of their laws on people.
- 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
  > Why not prevent personal data from leaking in first place? "The first place" would be not collecting it, an option that companies are seriously considering for nonessential data that they previously collected merely because it was convenient and accepted to do so.

freehunter 9y ago

>If you are big enough to have to worry about this you are probably a company with plenty of resources to think and comply with this You'd be surprised. GDPR is vague enough and just open to interpretation enough that there are many different companies interpreting it in many different ways. I'm a consultant and I talk to many multi-nationals and all of them have their own spin on it. Especially around the "except when necessary for security purposes" section. That right there is broad enough that "security purposes" can mean almost anything as long as you make sure your security team has access to that data.

testplzignore 9y ago
My company is one that everyone on HN has heard of, and they are interpreting it as "don't worry, we don't need to make any changes because _____". It will be interesting to see if they change their tune as May 25 approaches.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  The EU are totally threatening fines of the greater of €20M or 4% of global turnover because they want to preserve the status quo. /s

hopeless 9y ago

If you outside the EU, it really isn’t about “anyone coming after you”. Even within the EU the enforcement actions currently err of the side of a stern warning rather than fine (except in the most deliberate cases). Though that may change. Either way, you shouldn’t be doing it out of fear. You should be complying for practical business reason 1. This is how you should be treating personal data. 2. In exchange for complying with GDPR, you get access to a market of >700m people. If you’re a service provider, it’s illegal for any EU business to be your customer without GDPR compliance.

jimmaswell 9y ago
I wonder if a significant amount of small businesses/startups are going to simply not do business with the EU because of GDPR. I know I'd probably rather not have to deal with it if I had a small app or something.