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There's alot of international people posting on hacker news, and alot of them have anti-US bias. They wish China would be the one that takes over US as the sup
by niccccccccc 8y ago
There's alot of international people posting on hacker news, and alot of them have anti-US bias. They wish China would be the one that takes over US as the superpower of the world. for those people I have a comment
You like posting political views on the internet right? Imagine China is the sole superpower of the world that defeated the democracies of the world. You would be ranked, censored, monitored, caught, jailed, tortured, and killed.
- jackvalentine 8y ago> They wish China would be the one that takes over US as the superpower of the world. I have literally never seen this.
- meri_dian 8y agoI see China envy online a lot, especially given our recent political disfunction as people look at the superficial stability of China and want that for their own societies.
- whatshisface 8y agoChina is emphatically not stable. The PRC was started in 1949. The US civil war ended in 1865. Revolution is a living memory for some in China and that does a great deal to help the population think that suppression at all costs is reasonable. While the US was having its civil war, China was suffering through the tail end of [1]. Historically (in the modern era), China may best be seen as a very violent place. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan (Edit: I didn't notice the word superficial at first, it may have been inserted later as a correction.)
- dnoeuirc4334nt 8y agoThey said "superficial stability". The point is that it looks nice and stable if you don't look too closely.
- chapium 8y agoSame. Seems like trolling.
- natch 8y agoYou should travel to China and see it for yourself. Americans are so incredibly naive. I’m not saying you’re American but you definitely should get out more.
- ItsMe000001 8y agoHe is not talking about China but about people on HN who allegedly want this. I don't see how traveling to China helps, you need to travel to this website that you are already on to prove or disprove the claim :-)
- chibg10 8y agoI have been to China and it did not allay my fears about a CCP-centric world one bit. Also I'm an American and I don't appreciate your pseudo-racist condescension.
- natch 8y agoI definitely didn't mean it in the sense of allaying fears. I meant if anything it should heighten fears, for those who have more than a surface experience. Not sure where race is coming into it for you. American is not a race. Chinese is more a culture, than a race, if you look at the diversity of China outside of just Han. ??? Maybe we should just leave that one alone, it may have been a misunderstanding.
- jackvalentine 8y agoI have been to China three times, for a total of about a year spent there thank you very much. I come from an English spring country but have spent extensive time in various other countries where I have family. Thanks for being a total dick whilst knowing nothing about me. That being irrelevant though I suggest you re-read the post I was replying to. And then the honourable thing to do would be apologise to me.
- madengr 8y agoNo guns for you either, Comrade.
- sh4z 8y agoI do think a lot of people wish US was not the superpower of the world, but I don't think many people wish China to take over. But they probably will.
- pavs 8y agoPlease stop spreading FUDs, given the option I think most people would prefer China over USA's policy of bombing the shit out of your country to install democracy or rather pro-American democracy.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago...and no consciousness of the irony in being able to post that criticism openly. China has an absolutely appalling social justice history, including every war they've been involved in, their internal intolerance, and their record-breaking incompetence at even feeding their own people.
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- 0x03 8y agoCan you support your claims in the first paragraph?
- Froyoh 8y agoDon't think he/she can.
- niccccccccc 8y agopavs literally just posted the evidence below
- rohit2412 8y agoDon't have anything against USA, but a world with a single superpower is prone to bullying and abuse by the said superpower. Many of us just want a peaceful world, and if that needs to be multipolar, so be it
- konschubert 8y agoA unipolar world tends to be more peaceful than a multipolar one simply because there isn't much opportunity for conflict. Peaceful, not necessarily fair or free.
- wu-ikkyu 8y ago>A unipolar world tends to be more peaceful than a multipolar one simply because there isn't much opportunity for conflict. This statement ignores the mass murder it takes to become the number one power
- iovrthoughtthis 8y agoI guess they meant peace as the opposite of war?
- wu-ikkyu 8y agoRight. The one who participates in and wins the most wars or murders the most people becomes the superpower.
- krapp 8y ago>Right. The one who participates in and wins the most wars or murders the most people becomes the superpower. If merely winning the most wars and murdering the most people automatically made one a superpower, then the United States would not have become a superpower, because they did not win the most wars, nor did they murder the most people, at the end of World War 2, when they gained superpower status. You're trying so hard to be cynical here that you're abandoning rationality. I'm no fan of American military hegemony, or superpowers in general, but you make the US sound like a Mongol Khanate which is just absurd. The world is more complex than "whomever stands on the biggest pile of heads wins."
- throwafk81 8y agoI’m European. I can be fined and/or incarcerated if what I say on the internet is arbitrarily deemed as “hate speech”. You don’t need to live in China to be censored.
- solarkraft 8y agoI'm European. I'm glad there's an attempt to protect vulnerable groups.
- throwafk81 8y agoI’m sure the Chinese are also glad there’s an attempt to maintain order and avoid social unrest. ;-)
- acct1771 8y ago"The Holocaust" isn't a vulnerable group.
- jchw 8y agoThat's a pretty weak comparison to China's totalitarian system of censorship and monitoring.
- throwafk81 8y agoThe Police of London actively scan and monitor social networks looking for “hate speech” so they can pursue legal action. What’s the difference between that and what China does?
- faitswulff 8y agoShouldn't hate speech should be punished?
- chrischen 8y agoLondon deemed hate wpeech punishable, China determines certain speech (that it deems bad for society as well) punishable. No difference except for a difference in perspective.
- baq 8y agochinese 'patriots' and/or chinese psyops must be active on HN just as they're active on other online forums; that's probably what you're seeing.
- tombh 8y agoIs it anti-US or rather just not pro-US? Arguably the biggest problem that Western democracy faces is apathy. So I think many of us take the opportunity to ride the wave of ire that China's policies illicit and attempt to funnel it into self-reflection. The West is an unaccounted bully on the global stage, the list of atrocities it has committed is both difficult to comprehend and stomach. This does not at all placate China. Unchecked power in any context is bad news. Both the Chinese and Western populace are complicit. We are all heading for a tragically sobering wake up call. If the only way for the Western psyche to understand its own pathology is by projection onto others, then so be it.
- dang 8y agoUgh, what a trainwreck of a flamewar. All: please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, which asks you not to feed egregious comments by replying. All you do, when you do that, is add to the damage and spread the flames. We've banned this account for using HN for political and national battle, flamewars, and personal attacks. That's a rather striking amount of vandalism, just as it would be if you had the opposite opinions. Indeed, the people who vandalize HN this way have more in common with their extreme enemies than they do with anyone else.