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Tablets, likely, laptops very unlikely - neither Windows or OSX run on ARM (which together make up over 98% of laptop OS market share http://gorumors.com/crunch

Tablets, likely, laptops very unlikely - neither Windows or OSX run on ARM (which together make up over 98% of laptop OS market share http://gorumors.com/crunchies/operating-system-market-share/ http://gorumors.com/crunchies/operating-system-market-share/). I suppose Windows 8 and OSX 10.7 could be out before 2012 and ported, but I wouldn't bet on it....

j23tom 16y ago
who cares about win and macos - it will run on linux.
InclinedPlane 16y ago
Chrome OS? iOS? Android?
jsz0 16y ago
Is there any good reason to sacrifice any significant amount of battery life for performance in a tablet class device at this point? I think consumers will find the happy medium of device battery life (full day for SmartPhones, couple of days for tablets) and CPU evolution will need to be more incremental to meet those demands.
- sprout 16y ago
  Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. If someone could make one of those that had the battery life of a feature phone, I'd take my Moto Droid any day of the week. (Actually, I don't see why you think that tablets should have multi-day life expectancies. I'm almost always using them in areas where there are plugs. My phone on the other hand almost never leaves my pocket. )
  - rakkhi 16y ago
    "Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. " How can more performace ever be a bad thing, things you have not even imagined or been invented yet to do on a mobile because the performance is not there yet. E.g. things that I know: 3D video recording and photography, great performance augmented reality, instant search with social network and location data built it, HDR video recording. I don't even know what I don't know... And its not even multiday - I would love my iPhone to be double the performance and 8 hours non stop video play. That would be awesome, nothing more frustrating than being stuck on a train with a mobile that has run out of battery, only so long you can stare at the hot chicks :)
    - sprout 16y ago
      A mobile is a tool. It accomplishes a set of tasks for me. I don't want to be bothered with constantly worrying about my power supply in search of hypothetical benefits. I want a music player / messenger / Internet browser that I can plug into an outlet at my leisure. Also, instant search with location / social data already works on my Motorola Droid. In fact, certain parts of it work worse on Froyo than they did on the previous release. (Example: I used to be able to use voice search to say "Navigate to John Smith" and if I had a contact named John Smith with address information, it opened up navigation and took me there. Hopelessly broken on Froyo, and there's nowhere to submit a bug report because voice search and maps are both closed-source.) But I guess mostly what I'm saying is that there are no hardware problems, it's all cloud data, cloud computing, and the main bottleneck is network, not CPU. Even so, the bottlenecks don't cause enough trouble that I'm willing to sacrifice battery to get rid of them.
      - rakkhi 16y ago
        the main issue with that for me at least is offline useage. I often use my phone on the London tube with no internet access so having things offline or cached from the cloud is great. Local processing is absolutly required. LTE and new wireless standards may eventually change this but currently you can't beat something that runs locally. So more powerfull hardware on phones is absolutly required
    - _delirium 16y ago
      There's probably things in theory you can do with it, but in practice I really haven't found a need for more performance in the past 5 years or so. I have a low-powered, old laptop and a full-powered, newish desktop, and I really don't run into anything I want to do on the laptop but can't. Admittedly, I don't play much in the way of recent games, so that would be one possible use. There's scientific computing, but I run that all on remote servers or by spinning up VMs in the cloud these days. I just haven't run into much of anything else that needs the CPU cycles. In retrospect, I should've bought a lower-powered desktop machine!
      - 16y ago
  - asdfghjkjnmhb 16y ago
    ""Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. "" But the phone does. Originally the ARM was a tiny, 30,000gate, cpu core in the corner of the ASIC that did all the phone stuff. If the ARM gets powerful enough it can do all the protocol specific stuff and you no longer need an ASIC. So reduced parts count, quicker development, easier to support new phone standards etc.
patrickaljord 16y ago
ChromeOS does though.
msh 16y ago
Android/ChromeOS smartbooks/laptops would be a good bet on the target market for the laptops comment.
- pietrofmaggi 16y ago
  For laptops you have to remember that, at this time, the biggest power consumption (for screens bigger that 10-12") is the LCD (mainly his backlight). So, what you're gaining putting in an high-end ARM against a "low-power" X86 is a portion of the total power consumption of the laptop. Why choose ARM then? When the screen real estate is smaller than 10" or the size of the CPU+Logic Chip is important (take a look at the size of an Apple A4 against an Atom+Chipset). And when you don't have a large codebase already available. The new AppleTV is a good example of this, the usage of the A4 is a no-brainer whatever Intel CEO says: http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-steve-jobs-took-a-step-backward-with-new-apple-tv-2010-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-steve-jobs-took-a-s...
  - msh 16y ago
    s/laptops/netbooks as atom competitor. It could allso give you better allways on with a real laptop where you dont need to hibernate to save power.

j23tom 16y ago

who cares about win and macos - it will run on linux.

InclinedPlane 16y ago

Chrome OS? iOS? Android?

jsz0 16y ago

Is there any good reason to sacrifice any significant amount of battery life for performance in a tablet class device at this point? I think consumers will find the happy medium of device battery life (full day for SmartPhones, couple of days for tablets) and CPU evolution will need to be more incremental to meet those demands.

sprout 16y ago
Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. If someone could make one of those that had the battery life of a feature phone, I'd take my Moto Droid any day of the week. (Actually, I don't see why you think that tablets should have multi-day life expectancies. I'm almost always using them in areas where there are plugs. My phone on the other hand almost never leaves my pocket. )
- rakkhi 16y ago
  "Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. " How can more performace ever be a bad thing, things you have not even imagined or been invented yet to do on a mobile because the performance is not there yet. E.g. things that I know: 3D video recording and photography, great performance augmented reality, instant search with social network and location data built it, HDR video recording. I don't even know what I don't know... And its not even multiday - I would love my iPhone to be double the performance and 8 hours non stop video play. That would be awesome, nothing more frustrating than being stuck on a train with a mobile that has run out of battery, only so long you can stare at the hot chicks :)
  - sprout 16y ago
    A mobile is a tool. It accomplishes a set of tasks for me. I don't want to be bothered with constantly worrying about my power supply in search of hypothetical benefits. I want a music player / messenger / Internet browser that I can plug into an outlet at my leisure. Also, instant search with location / social data already works on my Motorola Droid. In fact, certain parts of it work worse on Froyo than they did on the previous release. (Example: I used to be able to use voice search to say "Navigate to John Smith" and if I had a contact named John Smith with address information, it opened up navigation and took me there. Hopelessly broken on Froyo, and there's nowhere to submit a bug report because voice search and maps are both closed-source.) But I guess mostly what I'm saying is that there are no hardware problems, it's all cloud data, cloud computing, and the main bottleneck is network, not CPU. Even so, the bottlenecks don't cause enough trouble that I'm willing to sacrifice battery to get rid of them.
    - rakkhi 16y ago
      the main issue with that for me at least is offline useage. I often use my phone on the London tube with no internet access so having things offline or cached from the cloud is great. Local processing is absolutly required. LTE and new wireless standards may eventually change this but currently you can't beat something that runs locally. So more powerfull hardware on phones is absolutly required
  - _delirium 16y ago
    There's probably things in theory you can do with it, but in practice I really haven't found a need for more performance in the past 5 years or so. I have a low-powered, old laptop and a full-powered, newish desktop, and I really don't run into anything I want to do on the laptop but can't. Admittedly, I don't play much in the way of recent games, so that would be one possible use. There's scientific computing, but I run that all on remote servers or by spinning up VMs in the cloud these days. I just haven't run into much of anything else that needs the CPU cycles. In retrospect, I should've bought a lower-powered desktop machine!
    - 16y ago
- asdfghjkjnmhb 16y ago
  ""Honestly, I don't need a computer more powerful than my Motorola Droid. "" But the phone does. Originally the ARM was a tiny, 30,000gate, cpu core in the corner of the ASIC that did all the phone stuff. If the ARM gets powerful enough it can do all the protocol specific stuff and you no longer need an ASIC. So reduced parts count, quicker development, easier to support new phone standards etc.

patrickaljord 16y ago

ChromeOS does though.

msh 16y ago

Android/ChromeOS smartbooks/laptops would be a good bet on the target market for the laptops comment.

pietrofmaggi 16y ago
For laptops you have to remember that, at this time, the biggest power consumption (for screens bigger that 10-12") is the LCD (mainly his backlight). So, what you're gaining putting in an high-end ARM against a "low-power" X86 is a portion of the total power consumption of the laptop. Why choose ARM then? When the screen real estate is smaller than 10" or the size of the CPU+Logic Chip is important (take a look at the size of an Apple A4 against an Atom+Chipset). And when you don't have a large codebase already available. The new AppleTV is a good example of this, the usage of the A4 is a no-brainer whatever Intel CEO says: http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-steve-jobs-took-a-step-backward-with-new-apple-tv-2010-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-steve-jobs-took-a-s...
- msh 16y ago
  s/laptops/netbooks as atom competitor. It could allso give you better allways on with a real laptop where you dont need to hibernate to save power.