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i don’t see why it’s controversial. just look at drivers now. many are already on human autopilot checking their phone, eating, etc. if you give any amount of a

i don’t see why it’s controversial. just look at drivers now. many are already on human autopilot checking their phone, eating, etc. if you give any amount of automation but that which still requires checking in from the human, humans will almost universally check out and crashes will be prevalent. autonomous driving will simply not work without full, unsupervised driving. i don’t understand why this is even a discussion amongst people.

worldsayshi 9y ago
One solution would be to make the autopilot worse within the realm of safe driving. Make it so that it continuously makes safe errors that the driver has to correct. Like steering off into an empty lane. Slowing down. Etc. Defining safe errors might be a challenge though.
- masklinn 9y ago
  That's what most "driving assistance" does. It's limited in what it offers and it refuses to keep going unattended for long periods. Tesla has been criticised all along for both its marketing and allowing long periods of unattended driving assistance.
- cardinalfang 9y ago
  Or the car could regularly ask a question about e.g. the colour of the car behind you.
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    Or "Are we there yet?" ;)
- allendoerfer 9y ago
  Make the steering wheel vibrate and beep every few seconds and constantly switch with the driver, like Mercedes is doing with theirs.
  - quotemstr 9y ago
    That behavior merely guarantees that I will never buy a Mercedes.
    - allendoerfer 9y ago
      They market their assistant as one that is not intended to drive on its own. So if you let go of the steering wheel, it magically continues to drive and will alert you if you check out for too long.
Piskvorrr 9y ago
Indeed. Since the SDV controversy started, I do catch myself at non-driving behind the wheel: "was I watching the traffic at all, or did I divert all my attention to the radio for several seconds? Was I too busy with the kids' fighting to watch the road just now?" And that's with me trying to actually drive the car safely, to be aware of its operating envelope, other traffic, hazards, navigation etc.

worldsayshi 9y ago

One solution would be to make the autopilot worse within the realm of safe driving. Make it so that it continuously makes safe errors that the driver has to correct. Like steering off into an empty lane. Slowing down. Etc. Defining safe errors might be a challenge though.

masklinn 9y ago
That's what most "driving assistance" does. It's limited in what it offers and it refuses to keep going unattended for long periods. Tesla has been criticised all along for both its marketing and allowing long periods of unattended driving assistance.
cardinalfang 9y ago
Or the car could regularly ask a question about e.g. the colour of the car behind you.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  Or "Are we there yet?" ;)
allendoerfer 9y ago
Make the steering wheel vibrate and beep every few seconds and constantly switch with the driver, like Mercedes is doing with theirs.
- quotemstr 9y ago
  That behavior merely guarantees that I will never buy a Mercedes.
  - allendoerfer 9y ago
    They market their assistant as one that is not intended to drive on its own. So if you let go of the steering wheel, it magically continues to drive and will alert you if you check out for too long.

Piskvorrr 9y ago

Indeed. Since the SDV controversy started, I do catch myself at non-driving behind the wheel: "was I watching the traffic at all, or did I divert all my attention to the radio for several seconds? Was I too busy with the kids' fighting to watch the road just now?" And that's with me trying to actually drive the car safely, to be aware of its operating envelope, other traffic, hazards, navigation etc.