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This is a corporate ownership of personality. Shudu is ageless, ever available, won't do anything against the corporate image and can be bought and sold. Ok,

by clort 9y ago

This is a corporate ownership of personality. Shudu is ageless, ever available, won't do anything against the corporate image and can be bought and sold. Ok, she is a generated personality but this will happen with real people too. Tom Cruise is too old to appear in action films? Well, his image won't be.. even after he is dead and gone his image will be owned by a corporation. He won't be too short to appear as Jack Reacher anymore either.. We might be lucky with some celebrities who are already dead, at least they will get left behind. Its difficult to know how this will affect new talent though, perhaps society will become sick of recorded images and turn to live events but I can see that the CGI power will increase such that these images can be generated live. We already had some of this with Tupac of course

chrisvalleybay 9y ago
Or maybe we'll just start watching live TV of simulated life interacting with each other. Sort of like the Truman Show. Just like Big Brother or Jersey shore, but this time people can pay real money for things to happen to the simulated people. They will have simulated emotional registers designed to mimic our own. Sometimes one might wonder if we're someone elses Truman Show. It's OK though, in that case climate change doesn't matter :-)
- lainga 9y ago
  And if you can influence the plot, The Sims?
- paganel 9y ago
  > They will have simulated emotional registers designed to mimic our own. There was also a good SF film similar to this called "Surrogates" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_35 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_35), which somehow flew under the radar when it premiered, back in 2009. It's a combination between what you're describing and Asimov's description of life on planet Solaria. From the wiki page of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun > The book focuses on the unusual traditions, customs, and culture of Solarian society. The planet has a rigidly controlled population of 20,000, and robots outnumber humans twenty thousand to one. People are taught from birth to avoid personal contact, and live on huge estates, either alone or with their spouse only. Face-to-face interaction (referred to in the book as "seeing"), and especially impregnating a woman, when replacement of a decedent is necessary, was seen as unavoidable but dirty. Communication is completed instead through holography (referred to in the book as "viewing") , where in contrast to "seeing", they are free of modesty, and have no problem if an interlocutor sees the other's naked body. A two-way teleconference allowed the participants to hear and see each other, but in 3D - an idea almost unheard-of at the time of publication, when color television was a novelty.
jakebasile 9y ago
This is already happening. In Disney™'s Rogue One™: A Star Wars™ Story, they had Grand Moff Tarkin played by a recreation of Peter Cushing. Disney claims they won't use computers to resurrect Carrie Fisher, but I'm not sure I believe The Mouse. I remember back when Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within came out, Square was saying that the Aki Ross character model would be like an actress. "While Square ruled out any chance of a sequel to The Spirits Within before it was even completed, Sakaguchi intended to position Aki as being the "main star" for Square Pictures, using her in later games and films by Square, and including the flexibility of being able to modify aspects such as her age for such appearances." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy%3A_The_Spirits_Within#Character_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy%3A_The_Spirits_W...
- shawabawa3 9y ago
  > Disney claims they won't use computers to resurrect Carrie Fisher They already did...
  - schwap 9y ago
    Not exactly -- they used CGI to reproduce young Carrie Fisher while she was still alive.
- DisruptiveDave 9y ago
  Sopranos did it like 15 years ago with Tony's mother, and I'm sure they weren't the first.
  - iooi 9y ago
    Well, not exactly. They reused old tapes of her and superimposed it on a scene [1]. It's an important distinction since they didn't actually create anything new, like what deepfakes do. [1] http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-02-28-sopranos.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-02-28-sopranos...
- gaius 9y ago
  I am still a little obsessed with Aki Ross
pfedigan 9y ago
How about Carrie Fisher? She's still in Star Wars!
kbenson 9y ago
> Tom Cruise is too old to appear in action films? Well, his image won't be.. even after he is dead and gone his image will be owned by a corporation. We all know who that corporation/religious group will be, too. On a tangent, have you considered that Tom Cruise may have the most wonderful life in existence? He's known, and probably liked, by billions for his movies, he's adored by his fellow religious adherents, the religion provides him a pampered lifestyle where his every whim is taken care of be what are essentially servants (religious adherents instructed to never question him and see to his every need, no matter how hard or ridiculous[1]), has enough money to do whatever he wants due to his fame and career, and has the idea that he deserves this as a chosen individual strongly reinforced every day by both the people surrounding him and the reality of his situation. I mean, a billionaire Saudi Prince might have it pretty good, but they have nothing on Tom Cruise. Even a dictator with total control over his people usually has some repercussions when visiting other locales. It's not something I would wish for myself, but I can't honestly say if I was in that situation I would decide I should get out of it, given how it would condition me. He's likely the most "blessed" individual to walk the Earth to this point, given what he has access to in the modern age. 1: As recounted by Leah Remini in an interview by Joe Rogan regarding Scientology.
- mjburgess 9y ago
  Yes, but he's profoundly mentally ill. He (seemingly) has, at least, borderline personality disorder and possibly NPD. That suggests highly unstable relationships, emotions, etc. Not a life you would wish for yourself. Material luxury both comes with its own trappings (eg. fear of being kidnapped; a fear that your friends only want you for your money/fame; which creates paranoia in most rich people) -- and then, in lots of cases, mental illnesses.
  - kbenson 9y ago
    > Yes, but he's profoundly mentally ill. But how much of that is because of his situation? Is it possible to remain what we would consider a sane, well-adjusted individual given prolonged exposure to that situation? Are dictators or the kings of ages past with absolute or close to absolute power any saner? > Not a life you would wish for yourself. Yes, as I said, not something I would want for myself, at least in my current mindset. But if I was in that situation for more than a few months, I'm not sure what or who I would be after that time.
mikestew 9y ago
You've just described the plot of The Congress: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_congress/ https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_congress/ There's more to the movie than that, but that's the first act. Goes a little deeper, and gets a bit weird after that; preserving the "image" of Princess Buttercup gets the ball rolling, though.
johnchristopher 9y ago
One of the future prediction I read 10 years ago was about how live events and personal interactions with the stardom (a lunch with an actor, a drink with the drum player) would be the truly defining leisure activity that would separate the elite from the 99.999%. I am thinking about Gibson and Idoru and I think this is something he missed about the future.
woolvalley 9y ago
So is mickey mouse and any other character created by artists.
sorenjan 9y ago
They used a CGI version of Paul Walker in Fast and Furious 7 after he died. https://www.fxguide.com/featured/furious-7s-most-stunning-effect-paul-walker/ https://www.fxguide.com/featured/furious-7s-most-stunning-ef... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9I0i9Dw4N8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9I0i9Dw4N8
tonyedgecombe 9y ago
I wonder how long it is before actors start selling the rights to use their image after death.

by clort 9y ago

chrisvalleybay 9y ago

Or maybe we'll just start watching live TV of simulated life interacting with each other. Sort of like the Truman Show. Just like Big Brother or Jersey shore, but this time people can pay real money for things to happen to the simulated people. They will have simulated emotional registers designed to mimic our own. Sometimes one might wonder if we're someone elses Truman Show. It's OK though, in that case climate change doesn't matter :-)

lainga 9y ago
And if you can influence the plot, The Sims?
paganel 9y ago
> They will have simulated emotional registers designed to mimic our own. There was also a good SF film similar to this called "Surrogates" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_35 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_35), which somehow flew under the radar when it premiered, back in 2009. It's a combination between what you're describing and Asimov's description of life on planet Solaria. From the wiki page of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Sun > The book focuses on the unusual traditions, customs, and culture of Solarian society. The planet has a rigidly controlled population of 20,000, and robots outnumber humans twenty thousand to one. People are taught from birth to avoid personal contact, and live on huge estates, either alone or with their spouse only. Face-to-face interaction (referred to in the book as "seeing"), and especially impregnating a woman, when replacement of a decedent is necessary, was seen as unavoidable but dirty. Communication is completed instead through holography (referred to in the book as "viewing") , where in contrast to "seeing", they are free of modesty, and have no problem if an interlocutor sees the other's naked body. A two-way teleconference allowed the participants to hear and see each other, but in 3D - an idea almost unheard-of at the time of publication, when color television was a novelty.

jakebasile 9y ago

This is already happening. In Disney™'s Rogue One™: A Star Wars™ Story, they had Grand Moff Tarkin played by a recreation of Peter Cushing. Disney claims they won't use computers to resurrect Carrie Fisher, but I'm not sure I believe The Mouse. I remember back when Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within came out, Square was saying that the Aki Ross character model would be like an actress. "While Square ruled out any chance of a sequel to The Spirits Within before it was even completed, Sakaguchi intended to position Aki as being the "main star" for Square Pictures, using her in later games and films by Square, and including the flexibility of being able to modify aspects such as her age for such appearances." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy%3A_The_Spirits_Within#Character_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy%3A_The_Spirits_W...

shawabawa3 9y ago
> Disney claims they won't use computers to resurrect Carrie Fisher They already did...
- schwap 9y ago
  Not exactly -- they used CGI to reproduce young Carrie Fisher while she was still alive.
DisruptiveDave 9y ago
Sopranos did it like 15 years ago with Tony's mother, and I'm sure they weren't the first.
- iooi 9y ago
  Well, not exactly. They reused old tapes of her and superimposed it on a scene [1]. It's an important distinction since they didn't actually create anything new, like what deepfakes do. [1] http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-02-28-sopranos.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-02-28-sopranos...
gaius 9y ago
I am still a little obsessed with Aki Ross

pfedigan 9y ago

How about Carrie Fisher? She's still in Star Wars!

kbenson 9y ago

> Tom Cruise is too old to appear in action films? Well, his image won't be.. even after he is dead and gone his image will be owned by a corporation. We all know who that corporation/religious group will be, too. On a tangent, have you considered that Tom Cruise may have the most wonderful life in existence? He's known, and probably liked, by billions for his movies, he's adored by his fellow religious adherents, the religion provides him a pampered lifestyle where his every whim is taken care of be what are essentially servants (religious adherents instructed to never question him and see to his every need, no matter how hard or ridiculous[1]), has enough money to do whatever he wants due to his fame and career, and has the idea that he deserves this as a chosen individual strongly reinforced every day by both the people surrounding him and the reality of his situation. I mean, a billionaire Saudi Prince might have it pretty good, but they have nothing on Tom Cruise. Even a dictator with total control over his people usually has some repercussions when visiting other locales. It's not something I would wish for myself, but I can't honestly say if I was in that situation I would decide I should get out of it, given how it would condition me. He's likely the most "blessed" individual to walk the Earth to this point, given what he has access to in the modern age. 1: As recounted by Leah Remini in an interview by Joe Rogan regarding Scientology.

mjburgess 9y ago
Yes, but he's profoundly mentally ill. He (seemingly) has, at least, borderline personality disorder and possibly NPD. That suggests highly unstable relationships, emotions, etc. Not a life you would wish for yourself. Material luxury both comes with its own trappings (eg. fear of being kidnapped; a fear that your friends only want you for your money/fame; which creates paranoia in most rich people) -- and then, in lots of cases, mental illnesses.
- kbenson 9y ago
  > Yes, but he's profoundly mentally ill. But how much of that is because of his situation? Is it possible to remain what we would consider a sane, well-adjusted individual given prolonged exposure to that situation? Are dictators or the kings of ages past with absolute or close to absolute power any saner? > Not a life you would wish for yourself. Yes, as I said, not something I would want for myself, at least in my current mindset. But if I was in that situation for more than a few months, I'm not sure what or who I would be after that time.

mikestew 9y ago

You've just described the plot of The Congress: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_congress/ https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_congress/ There's more to the movie than that, but that's the first act. Goes a little deeper, and gets a bit weird after that; preserving the "image" of Princess Buttercup gets the ball rolling, though.

johnchristopher 9y ago

One of the future prediction I read 10 years ago was about how live events and personal interactions with the stardom (a lunch with an actor, a drink with the drum player) would be the truly defining leisure activity that would separate the elite from the 99.999%. I am thinking about Gibson and Idoru and I think this is something he missed about the future.

woolvalley 9y ago

So is mickey mouse and any other character created by artists.

sorenjan 9y ago

They used a CGI version of Paul Walker in Fast and Furious 7 after he died. https://www.fxguide.com/featured/furious-7s-most-stunning-effect-paul-walker/ https://www.fxguide.com/featured/furious-7s-most-stunning-ef... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9I0i9Dw4N8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9I0i9Dw4N8

tonyedgecombe 9y ago

I wonder how long it is before actors start selling the rights to use their image after death.