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I get how that gets some channel into trouble: politics, guns. Than channel was apparently a Iranian-American vegan animal rights activist. I’m not a vegan, bu

by bertil 9y ago

I get how that gets some channel into trouble: politics, guns. Than channel was apparently a Iranian-American vegan animal rights activist. I’m not a vegan, but I don’t see the point in opposing them. Other than the banter about how in-your-face they can be, do people violently oppose vegans, or animal rights activists? She was upset over a workout video being age-gated: who would oppose that video?

jacquesm 9y ago
There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.
- patcheudor 9y ago
  Not really. It's common to support animal rights while despising humans. This is especially true amongst those who subscribe to the more fringe animal activism groups that as an example free animals used for medical or cosmetic testing from their 'evil human captors'.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    They'll be shocked when they realize we too are animals.
    - gowld 9y ago
      Jacques, you are smarter than that. WWII Allies killed Nazis to save humans. They weren't shocked to realize that Nazis were humans.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        The de-humanization of both Nazi's from the allied perspective and the Jews from the Nazi perspective is well documented. So yes, that's exactly how it was.
- DanAndersen 9y ago
  There is sadly a small segment of animal-rights or environmental advocates who let their cause mutate into a sort of misanthropy or disregard for humans. At its mildest levels it manifests as the half-joking comments of "we don't deserve dogs" or "dogs are the best people" that are all the rage on imgur et al., at its more severe levels it becomes anger or violence against those perceived to be enabling oppression of animals seen as pure innocents.
  - ben_jones 9y ago
    Like PETA [1]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5b41o2/what_is_wrong_with_peta_why_does_everyone_hate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5b41o2/what_i...
  - gowld 9y ago
    There are also sadly some segments of the human rights community who will hurt or even kill people to stop those people from torttuo or killing himans
- grigjd3 9y ago
  So one should be careful in interpreting the term animal rights. In the past, animal rights activists have burned down houses of medical researchers.
- batuhanicoz 9y ago
  I wouldn’t want to defend someone who opened fire on innocent people but I also think we can’t say she had no problem doing this. She is/was clearly troubled. I watched a few of her videos before and it was either scripted or she had problems for a long time. Mental health is no joke. She shouldn't had any access to any guns. To be fair though, I haven't read about how she acquired the gun.
- staunch 9y ago
  "Hitler followed a vegetarian diet. At social events he sometimes gave graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to make his guests shun meat." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health
- gowld 9y ago
  Because shooting employees of a paid service is better? You seem to be confusing respect for animal life with pacifism. Fighting to defend the helpless is company with caring for the helpless. Soldiers kill people to defend their countrymen.
dspillett 9y ago
> do people violently oppose vegans I doubt being vegan is the key here. Though there is a fair amount of bullying, through ad-homenim attacks or idiots just trying to wind people up for shits & giggles. There are also some with a persecution complex that seem to take even the slightest criticism as a violent attack. This is not constrained to veganism though: there are similarly unhinged people in many walks of life. > or animal rights activists? I expect this is the more important factor. Being a vegan is likely a consequence of her strong feelings in this area (the fact that some are highlighting the vegan thing is an example of the bullying I mention above). Animal rights is a very emotive area and some people (a few, but a very active and vocal few) get dangerously passionate about it to the point of losing all view of any other logic or moral sensibility (like not killing human animals). > a workout video being age-gated: who would oppose that video? I've not seen the video in question so I can't make specific guesses, but there are a couple of possibilities that spring to mind: * Some people are very puritan about the showing of skin and so forth, perhaps there was a complaint about that sort of thing? * Was anything potentially divisive said during the workout clip, even in passing? Given her apparent anger at the world that is not unlikely. * It could just be someone that disagrees with her views on something else. Down-voting and reporting entirely unrelated content in response to something else is an immature but very common reaction.
- gowld 9y ago
  Animal rights activists are fighting back against animal exploiters' chronic lack of moral sensibility.
  - dspillett 9y ago
    Fighting fire with fire...
benmmurphy 9y ago
Probably some busy bodies were upset about her other videos (the animal rights ones?) and decided to mass report her other work out videos and they got age-gated. Another person has a different opinion on the internet so destroying their livelihood is the correct response.

by bertil 9y ago

jacquesm 9y ago

There is something very ironic about a person that is supposedly so careful about animal rights that they will change their diet to relieve the pressure who at the same time has no problems in bringing a gun into the offices of a free service and shooting random strangers.

patcheudor 9y ago
Not really. It's common to support animal rights while despising humans. This is especially true amongst those who subscribe to the more fringe animal activism groups that as an example free animals used for medical or cosmetic testing from their 'evil human captors'.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  They'll be shocked when they realize we too are animals.
  - gowld 9y ago
    Jacques, you are smarter than that. WWII Allies killed Nazis to save humans. They weren't shocked to realize that Nazis were humans.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      The de-humanization of both Nazi's from the allied perspective and the Jews from the Nazi perspective is well documented. So yes, that's exactly how it was.
DanAndersen 9y ago
There is sadly a small segment of animal-rights or environmental advocates who let their cause mutate into a sort of misanthropy or disregard for humans. At its mildest levels it manifests as the half-joking comments of "we don't deserve dogs" or "dogs are the best people" that are all the rage on imgur et al., at its more severe levels it becomes anger or violence against those perceived to be enabling oppression of animals seen as pure innocents.
- ben_jones 9y ago
  Like PETA [1]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5b41o2/what_is_wrong_with_peta_why_does_everyone_hate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5b41o2/what_i...
- gowld 9y ago
  There are also sadly some segments of the human rights community who will hurt or even kill people to stop those people from torttuo or killing himans
grigjd3 9y ago
So one should be careful in interpreting the term animal rights. In the past, animal rights activists have burned down houses of medical researchers.
batuhanicoz 9y ago
I wouldn’t want to defend someone who opened fire on innocent people but I also think we can’t say she had no problem doing this. She is/was clearly troubled. I watched a few of her videos before and it was either scripted or she had problems for a long time. Mental health is no joke. She shouldn't had any access to any guns. To be fair though, I haven't read about how she acquired the gun.
staunch 9y ago
"Hitler followed a vegetarian diet. At social events he sometimes gave graphic accounts of the slaughter of animals in an effort to make his guests shun meat." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Health
gowld 9y ago
Because shooting employees of a paid service is better? You seem to be confusing respect for animal life with pacifism. Fighting to defend the helpless is company with caring for the helpless. Soldiers kill people to defend their countrymen.

dspillett 9y ago

> do people violently oppose vegans I doubt being vegan is the key here. Though there is a fair amount of bullying, through ad-homenim attacks or idiots just trying to wind people up for shits & giggles. There are also some with a persecution complex that seem to take even the slightest criticism as a violent attack. This is not constrained to veganism though: there are similarly unhinged people in many walks of life. > or animal rights activists? I expect this is the more important factor. Being a vegan is likely a consequence of her strong feelings in this area (the fact that some are highlighting the vegan thing is an example of the bullying I mention above). Animal rights is a very emotive area and some people (a few, but a very active and vocal few) get dangerously passionate about it to the point of losing all view of any other logic or moral sensibility (like not killing human animals). > a workout video being age-gated: who would oppose that video? I've not seen the video in question so I can't make specific guesses, but there are a couple of possibilities that spring to mind: * Some people are very puritan about the showing of skin and so forth, perhaps there was a complaint about that sort of thing? * Was anything potentially divisive said during the workout clip, even in passing? Given her apparent anger at the world that is not unlikely. * It could just be someone that disagrees with her views on something else. Down-voting and reporting entirely unrelated content in response to something else is an immature but very common reaction.

gowld 9y ago
Animal rights activists are fighting back against animal exploiters' chronic lack of moral sensibility.
- dspillett 9y ago
  Fighting fire with fire...

benmmurphy 9y ago

Probably some busy bodies were upset about her other videos (the animal rights ones?) and decided to mass report her other work out videos and they got age-gated. Another person has a different opinion on the internet so destroying their livelihood is the correct response.