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Exactly. Convince people Linux is worth moving to, but don't force them towards it. If memory serves, when Valve was initially getting their feet wet, publicly

by jsgo 9y ago

Exactly. Convince people Linux is worth moving to, but don't force them towards it. If memory serves, when Valve was initially getting their feet wet, publicly, with Linux, they were getting Left 4 Dead (1 or 2, can't remember) to work there. If I remember correctly, they got it to a point that hardware for hardware, they got the Linux port to run better than the Windows version. And that's a direction worth going if you want the gaming crowd to follow: come this way and get an extra boost in performance. We know you just spent $300 to get a couple frames per second boost, come get a few more for free. They really need to do something about Big Picture mode though: that thing looks terrible on anything above 1080p. Even more so at 3440x1440 where it is blurry and inside black bars. If they're trying to make Steam into an appliance of sorts, the user interface needs to be right.

cpv 9y ago
I had the chance to run KSP on an older laptop, something more to low end. On windows it was playable on low settings, with small hiccups. On Linux it was running smoothly with similar settings, same game save. It could have been code optimizations, game engine, the OS, the drivers, but there was a difference.
julioneander 9y ago
As absurd as it looks, Microsoft in some part seems to be helping make Linux more attractive. I can tell because of my younger brother, he is constantly complaining of Windows shenanigans (forced upgrades, inconsistent performance, disk space usage, some kind of 30fps cap that he needs to fix on regedit sometimes). He tried CS:GO in my Linux box and liked that it just worked, apparently ran smoother, and according to him the OS itself seemed simpler. He wants to try Linux on his computer now with my help. Let's see how that will work out, but still, it's a start.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
  I feel like this is true and frankly it bothers the living hell out of me. I'd like to eventually be using an open source operating system on my desktop, I really would, but Linux Desktop is crap and from what I can tell will remain crap because their community has crap ideas. But now Windows is getting more crap too, by trying to copy the crap parts of the mobile ecosystem and the crap parts of Linux at the same time. I'm facing a future where I end up with a Linux Desktop not because the Linux Desktop has finally become worth using, but because Windows has become so shit it is better by comparison. It's enough to make me want to give up computing altogether.
  - julioneander 9y ago
    Things are improving over time, even if slowly. With more people using Linux distros, the incentive to improve the desktop parts is greater. Kernel support is improving too. AMD is contributing to the open source amdgpu driver now, Intel's open source driver is one the most supported among distros. And what if a Linux Desktop ends up being better than Windows at some point in the future, well, why won't you use the best tool you have available?
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    There is no "Linux desktop", there are distros, they have various desktop environments KDE, Gnome, Unity, MATE, Blackbox, and lots more. I'm curious what MS Windows has copied from a common Linux DE or distro that you believe is "crap"?
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
      > There is no "Linux desktop", there are distros, they have various desktop environments KDE, Gnome, Unity, MATE, Blackbox, and lots more. Yeah, that's a big part of the problem right there. > I'm curious what MS Windows has copied from a common Linux DE or distro that you believe is "crap"? Rolling releases, i.e: break everything every 3 months, an over-reliance on the the command line for configuration tasks (and I say this as someone who loves powershell), package managers, and hardcoded paths (mostly for their dev tools), to name a few.
      - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        Ubuntu, one of the largest Linux distros, does Long-Term Support (LTS) releases with a 5 year release cycle [1]. Things break on Ubuntu for those addicted to upgrades (me!). In my preferred DE, KDE/Plasma, I can't recall ever needing to use command line for normal user level configurations. [1] https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago

by jsgo 9y ago

cpv 9y ago

I had the chance to run KSP on an older laptop, something more to low end. On windows it was playable on low settings, with small hiccups. On Linux it was running smoothly with similar settings, same game save. It could have been code optimizations, game engine, the OS, the drivers, but there was a difference.

julioneander 9y ago

As absurd as it looks, Microsoft in some part seems to be helping make Linux more attractive. I can tell because of my younger brother, he is constantly complaining of Windows shenanigans (forced upgrades, inconsistent performance, disk space usage, some kind of 30fps cap that he needs to fix on regedit sometimes). He tried CS:GO in my Linux box and liked that it just worked, apparently ran smoother, and according to him the OS itself seemed simpler. He wants to try Linux on his computer now with my help. Let's see how that will work out, but still, it's a start.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
I feel like this is true and frankly it bothers the living hell out of me. I'd like to eventually be using an open source operating system on my desktop, I really would, but Linux Desktop is crap and from what I can tell will remain crap because their community has crap ideas. But now Windows is getting more crap too, by trying to copy the crap parts of the mobile ecosystem and the crap parts of Linux at the same time. I'm facing a future where I end up with a Linux Desktop not because the Linux Desktop has finally become worth using, but because Windows has become so shit it is better by comparison. It's enough to make me want to give up computing altogether.
- julioneander 9y ago
  Things are improving over time, even if slowly. With more people using Linux distros, the incentive to improve the desktop parts is greater. Kernel support is improving too. AMD is contributing to the open source amdgpu driver now, Intel's open source driver is one the most supported among distros. And what if a Linux Desktop ends up being better than Windows at some point in the future, well, why won't you use the best tool you have available?
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  There is no "Linux desktop", there are distros, they have various desktop environments KDE, Gnome, Unity, MATE, Blackbox, and lots more. I'm curious what MS Windows has copied from a common Linux DE or distro that you believe is "crap"?
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
    > There is no "Linux desktop", there are distros, they have various desktop environments KDE, Gnome, Unity, MATE, Blackbox, and lots more. Yeah, that's a big part of the problem right there. > I'm curious what MS Windows has copied from a common Linux DE or distro that you believe is "crap"? Rolling releases, i.e: break everything every 3 months, an over-reliance on the the command line for configuration tasks (and I say this as someone who loves powershell), package managers, and hardcoded paths (mostly for their dev tools), to name a few.
    - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
      Ubuntu, one of the largest Linux distros, does Long-Term Support (LTS) releases with a 5 year release cycle [1]. Things break on Ubuntu for those addicted to upgrades (me!). In my preferred DE, KDE/Plasma, I can't recall ever needing to use command line for normal user level configurations. [1] https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago