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Not German, can you explain what Germany's laws are and how it makes them safer than the USA?

by Veelox 9y ago

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Storage laws are super strict, police can and do come in your house to check that you have your gun in your safe. You aren’t supposed to lose it, or let anyone else get ahold of it. Psych evaluation required for those under 25 (to cut down on school shootings), more restrictions on fuller background checks and so on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany
- Veelox 9y ago
  I would be for (and think it could pass) psych evals for those under 25 if we paired it with allowing anyone over 18 who passed to buy guns. We could do better on background checks but the devil is in the details. There is no way police checking storage at any time would pass at the federal level and I am doubtful it would have a noticeable effect on gun deaths but I could be convinced otherwise.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    We already allow anyone over 18 to buy guns, without the psych evals. > There is no way police checking storage at any time would pass at the federal level and I am doubtful it would have a noticeable effect on gun deaths but I could be convinced otherwise. German statistics say otherwise. I love how pro-gun arguments are always "Ya it worked in country X, but it wouldn't work in the USA because we are third world" or something like that.
    - Veelox 9y ago
      There is currently a restriction for selling handguns to people under 21. >German statistics say otherwise. I completely believe that the totality of German gun laws help reduce gun deaths. What I am specifically unsure of is how police checks of storage influence gun deaths. My initial assumption is that they would cause a <1% reduction in gun deaths but I don't have any data backing up that assumption so I could be persuaded that it would have a larger effect.
      - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
        One of the common argument of the pro-gun crowd is that gun control doesn't work because criminals who would fail background checks still manage to get guns...e.g. they get them from friends or they still them from houses. Or to say "the criminals will easily get guns, while those law abiding citizens will find it hard time getting guns to protect themselves." Gun storage laws (and smart gun laws if the NRA would allow them) are designed specifically to address that. If gun storage laws only lead to a 1% reduction in gun deaths, (mostly via suicide via dad's gun), then they are totally worth it. I'm sure the effectiveness is a bit higher than that.
- matte_black 9y ago
  Police busting in your home to check anything is dead on arrival. They need a warrant and probable cause. Not happening. The other stuff is good.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    They don't bust in, you have given them permission already. This is like signing a contract with a bails bondsman, they can enter your house and you can't sue them for trespassing. This is what sane gun laws look like in developed countries.

Not German, can you explain what Germany's laws are and how it makes them safer than the USA?

by Veelox 9y ago

Not German, can you explain what Germany's laws are and how it makes them safer than the USA?

Storage laws are super strict, police can and do come in your house to check that you have your gun in your safe. You aren’t supposed to lose it, or let anyone else get ahold of it. Psych evaluation required for those under 25 (to cut down on school shootings), more restrictions on fuller background checks and so on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany

Veelox 9y ago
I would be for (and think it could pass) psych evals for those under 25 if we paired it with allowing anyone over 18 who passed to buy guns. We could do better on background checks but the devil is in the details. There is no way police checking storage at any time would pass at the federal level and I am doubtful it would have a noticeable effect on gun deaths but I could be convinced otherwise.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  We already allow anyone over 18 to buy guns, without the psych evals. > There is no way police checking storage at any time would pass at the federal level and I am doubtful it would have a noticeable effect on gun deaths but I could be convinced otherwise. German statistics say otherwise. I love how pro-gun arguments are always "Ya it worked in country X, but it wouldn't work in the USA because we are third world" or something like that.
  - Veelox 9y ago
    There is currently a restriction for selling handguns to people under 21. >German statistics say otherwise. I completely believe that the totality of German gun laws help reduce gun deaths. What I am specifically unsure of is how police checks of storage influence gun deaths. My initial assumption is that they would cause a <1% reduction in gun deaths but I don't have any data backing up that assumption so I could be persuaded that it would have a larger effect.
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      One of the common argument of the pro-gun crowd is that gun control doesn't work because criminals who would fail background checks still manage to get guns...e.g. they get them from friends or they still them from houses. Or to say "the criminals will easily get guns, while those law abiding citizens will find it hard time getting guns to protect themselves." Gun storage laws (and smart gun laws if the NRA would allow them) are designed specifically to address that. If gun storage laws only lead to a 1% reduction in gun deaths, (mostly via suicide via dad's gun), then they are totally worth it. I'm sure the effectiveness is a bit higher than that.
matte_black 9y ago
Police busting in your home to check anything is dead on arrival. They need a warrant and probable cause. Not happening. The other stuff is good.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  They don't bust in, you have given them permission already. This is like signing a contract with a bails bondsman, they can enter your house and you can't sue them for trespassing. This is what sane gun laws look like in developed countries.