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Thanks for sharing this wonderful lecture. I would like to know why this guy's mission is to have Robotic Intelligence >= Human Intelligence. What is his reason

by suyash 9y ago

Thanks for sharing this wonderful lecture. I would like to know why this guy's mission is to have Robotic Intelligence >= Human Intelligence. What is his reason behind that, he did not divulge. Any guesses?

aje403 9y ago
What's there to question? You're making assumptions by even asking his motives. Are you implying he should not be doing this ethically or something? Von Neumann responded to a quote from Oppenheimer lamenting the invention of the bomb: "Some people confess to the sin to take credit for it"
- rogeroga 9y ago
  that is a great quote, indeed that happens at all levels, sounds like a cover up for false modesty.
  - mhb 9y ago
    It's humblebrag's cousin - the shamebrag.
- joe_the_user 9y ago
  I skimmed the lecture after first ten minutes and as far as I can tell, while it seemed like it would be interesting to someone interested in what Boston Dynamics was doing, it doesn't really say anything about AGI beyond "we eventually want to do AGI and we think doing robot stuff well will get us there." If there's something I missed, could someone say. Since this is part of an MIT lecture series on AGI, I think the GP is sort-of justified in also asking where that part is.
dwc 9y ago
Pretty much every conception of AGI is of greater than human intelligence, at least in some aspects. The reason? Otherwise why build it? Yes, there are cases where AGI as subhuman-level intelligence would have utility, but the remaining cases are far more numerous and have far more utility.
- goatlover 9y ago
  > but the remaining cases are far more numerous and have far more utility But why do we want to replace ourselves? Do we just want the machines to do everything for us? Take care of us like we're pets?
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  - Daemon_Eater 9y ago
    Different people have different priorities, some subset of people must desire to be taken care of like pets. That said, the relationship does not have to have a master/pet dynamic to it. There are alternatives where ASI takes specific roles away from humanity (like various governmental, administrative, or legal roles), especially those roles where humans consistently fall short and failure has very negative consequences. The driving motivations for ASIs will determine what kind of relationship we have with them. They may all have the potential to lead to mass subjugation but, that isn't set in stone, we could end up as partners in a shared future. I for one hope they can fortify my deep solipsism with more detail, my own personal paradise Matrix. Or maybe they can just take care of me while I waste away on drugs, ensuring no negative externalities.
- gowld 9y ago
  There are multiple dimensions to scaling. A large number of subhuman-intelligent agents can beat a small number of superhuman-intelligences (and vice versa, depending on specifics), and certainly beats not building anything.
- blhack 9y ago
  There is a value to human life beyond just "how smart you are". >Otherwise why build it? Because it would be better to send robots into dangerous situations that it is to send human beings.
  - dwc 9y ago
    This is why I mention that there are specific cases for subhuman levels of intelligence.
kowdermeister 9y ago
Possibly to make the world a better place.
- goatlover 9y ago
  For the shareholders.
aaron695 9y ago
This is actually a really good question. It's a good flag of spin. It seems absolutely not necessary until way way after robots have revolutionized society, without a expert commenting I say he doesn't get it or is just selling a product to naive consumers.

by suyash 9y ago

aje403 9y ago

What's there to question? You're making assumptions by even asking his motives. Are you implying he should not be doing this ethically or something? Von Neumann responded to a quote from Oppenheimer lamenting the invention of the bomb: "Some people confess to the sin to take credit for it"

rogeroga 9y ago
that is a great quote, indeed that happens at all levels, sounds like a cover up for false modesty.
- mhb 9y ago
  It's humblebrag's cousin - the shamebrag.
joe_the_user 9y ago
I skimmed the lecture after first ten minutes and as far as I can tell, while it seemed like it would be interesting to someone interested in what Boston Dynamics was doing, it doesn't really say anything about AGI beyond "we eventually want to do AGI and we think doing robot stuff well will get us there." If there's something I missed, could someone say. Since this is part of an MIT lecture series on AGI, I think the GP is sort-of justified in also asking where that part is.

dwc 9y ago

Pretty much every conception of AGI is of greater than human intelligence, at least in some aspects. The reason? Otherwise why build it? Yes, there are cases where AGI as subhuman-level intelligence would have utility, but the remaining cases are far more numerous and have far more utility.

goatlover 9y ago
> but the remaining cases are far more numerous and have far more utility But why do we want to replace ourselves? Do we just want the machines to do everything for us? Take care of us like we're pets?
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- Daemon_Eater 9y ago
  Different people have different priorities, some subset of people must desire to be taken care of like pets. That said, the relationship does not have to have a master/pet dynamic to it. There are alternatives where ASI takes specific roles away from humanity (like various governmental, administrative, or legal roles), especially those roles where humans consistently fall short and failure has very negative consequences. The driving motivations for ASIs will determine what kind of relationship we have with them. They may all have the potential to lead to mass subjugation but, that isn't set in stone, we could end up as partners in a shared future. I for one hope they can fortify my deep solipsism with more detail, my own personal paradise Matrix. Or maybe they can just take care of me while I waste away on drugs, ensuring no negative externalities.
gowld 9y ago
There are multiple dimensions to scaling. A large number of subhuman-intelligent agents can beat a small number of superhuman-intelligences (and vice versa, depending on specifics), and certainly beats not building anything.
blhack 9y ago
There is a value to human life beyond just "how smart you are". >Otherwise why build it? Because it would be better to send robots into dangerous situations that it is to send human beings.
- dwc 9y ago
  This is why I mention that there are specific cases for subhuman levels of intelligence.

kowdermeister 9y ago

Possibly to make the world a better place.

goatlover 9y ago
For the shareholders.

aaron695 9y ago

This is actually a really good question. It's a good flag of spin. It seems absolutely not necessary until way way after robots have revolutionized society, without a expert commenting I say he doesn't get it or is just selling a product to naive consumers.