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What should the vaping kids do instead of vaping?
by truculation 9y ago
What should the vaping kids do instead of vaping?
- neaden 9y agoPreferably just breathe normal air? As in don't replace it with any other drug.
- truculation 9y agoI'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?
- neaden 9y agoAre you trying to segue into a discussion on over prescription of ADHD medication? I don't really see what the one has to do with the other but sure, they are both problems. But you can't just say two things are drugs so they are equal. I take a drug first thing every morning for my allergies for instance. Edit: You edited your reply after I started. I think abstinence works fine for something like nicotine. Unlike say sex humans don't have any innate craving for nicotine, I've never consumed it in my entire life and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.
- truculation 9y agoIt's because you've never consumed it that you don't miss it.
- neaden 9y agoI think you are being unclear here. I took your remark on abstinence to be a reference to abstinence only sex education, as I think most readers did. If you are asking how we can help teens with a nicotine addiction to break it then there are a variety of ways that have been shown to work in helping someone break addiction, so schools, parents, and healthcare providers can support those.
- truculation 9y agoThe article begs to differ. They fear a whole new generation of nicotine addicts. Hence my question. Btw, do you know if schools in the U.S. sell sweets? (My school used to have a 'tuck shop' for this purpose).
- neaden 9y agoI don't see how the article disagrees with what I just said. I really think you are being unclear here in what you are trying to say. Are you asking specifically what should schools due to assist nicotine users to quit, or something else?
- ebbv 9y agoAbstinence isn't effective? For sex maybe. For smoking it is, though. It's the most successful method of quitting.
- truculation 9y agoYes but what's the success rate?
- ebbv 9y agoThe success rate of never smoking/vaping in the first place is 100%. The success rate of quitting is really up to the individual, much like weight loss or other self improvement stuff. But even if it's hard it's the thing you should do. I'm really not sure what you're arguing. "Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." That's some lame mentality right there.
- truculation 9y ago>"Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." No, I asked: what should vaping be replaced with?
- ebbv 9y agoOh my god are you serious with this? I’m gonna guess from the quality of this exchange you vape.
- dang 9y agoWould you please do a better job of following the site guidelines? You frequently either cross the line or straddle it. By doing this, you damage the community in its most vulnerable place. I'm sure you wouldn't do that with other shared resources, and since you use HN, we'd appreciate your helping to take care of it as well, even when other comments are annoying, wrong, or absurd. Especially then. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- WalterSear 9y agoPerhaps live in the here and now? As in don't expect people not to be humans.
- amelius 9y agoprogramming!
- truculation 9y agoYes a programming problem certainly can occupy the previously-bored mind -- but is that an option in school?
- Robotbeat 9y agoI used to program my calculator while bored in school.
- truculation 9y agoAh, sounds good. On a related note these days I think most kids are banned from using cellphones in school. So they'd have to purchase a separate calculator.
- droidist2 9y agoRead the bible
- truculation 9y agoDo you mean to imply that religious faith offers a way out of addiction or that (for example) the Book of Job is really really interesting?
- forgottenpass 9y agoI think it's sarcasm pointing out how detached from practicality some of the comments here seem and/or how terrible teen mass-intervention programs are in general. I don't remember the finer details of anti-drug propaganda from school that well anymore, but I do remember my anger at how patronizing, insulting and obviously ineffective most of it was. And how it often used the exact same manipulation tactics that DARE told us drug-pushers would try to use on us. Why, when people grow up, do they not remember the well intentioned but misguided intervention programs they were subject to in their own youth?
- droidist2 9y agoYes, it was sarcasm. Either way it's interesting I got flagged for that.
- testplzignore 9y agoThere was a golden era about 10 years ago where it looked like smoking was finally going to be conquered. The cessation aids were working. Smoking rates were plummeting. It wasn't cool anymore. It was no longer an impossible problem - people could quit and never look back. Then vaping screwed it all up. I hate the myth - which I assumed is being propagated by the companies that profit off of it - that vaping was a replacement for smoking, and that people who vape would otherwise smoke. No. There was a clear period of time between when smoking was on its deathbed and when vaping exploded.
- teamhappy 9y agoYou seem to completely ignore that a large fraction of people relapse.
- Domenic_S 9y ago> No. Yes. In my social circle a whole bunch of us switched from smoking a pack+/day to vaping, about 10 years ago.
- refurb 9y agoHumans like mind-altering substances. I can guarantee you that if tobacco disappeared and vaping didn't exist these kids would just be drinking or smoking pot.
- strictnein 9y agoBut vaping isn't smoking. It's a similar looking, but significantly different activity that carries almost none of the health risks associated with smoking, both firsthand and secondhand.
- skybrian 9y agoIf they're having trouble quitting, the obvious thing to do is lower the nicotine level, eventually to zero.
- billfruit 9y agoVideo games, perhaps.