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> From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ they track what you watch, when you watch it, you

> From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ they track what you watch, when you watch it, your location, your interactions with other apps. And they share this with... well, everyone basically. I wonder how the GDPR will affect companies like Samba's business model. Also, isn't this effectively true of all internet connected TVs since they will never receive security patches and become part of the botnet of things?

Sharlin 9y ago
GDPR will hopefully make companies that do things like this really sweat. The EU doesn’t seem to be fucking around with that one.
- fipple 9y ago
  GDPR only increases engineering and compliance costs. It doesn’t have any consumer-side impact since to a first approximation, zero consumers take advantage of data privacy laws.
  - notimetorelax 9y ago
    One significant advantage that comes with GDPR is the fact that users will be able to opt-out from any tracking that is not required for the service to function.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      It's much better than that, it is explicit and specific (as in with purpose) opt in and the defaults are to be 'off' (see section 4.11).
  - IshKebab 9y ago
    That's not true. GDPR means you have to have explicit, clear consent for many things. It can't be hidden behind "you agree to our updated terms and conditions, click (here) for details" type things. Also it much be easy to opt out.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > since to a first approximation, zero consumers take advantage of data privacy laws. That's where that nice multiplier of 250,000 gets going. See, even if to a first approximation zero consumers take advantage of these laws if it turns out that 'approximately zero' out of 100 million is say 10,000 you're still fucked if you decide to play dumb. So round off all you want, but keep in mind the multiplier.
    - friedman23 9y ago
      multiplier? anyway, a company like google or apple could hardly care less about a number like 250,000 but a small European startup is hopelessly screwed.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        Yes, for those companies we have the 20% of worldwide gross revenues.
    - fipple 9y ago
      No, because of that multiplier all companies are coming into compliance and it's costing all of them a lot of money. But it isn't going to affect their revenue or advertising business models at all because nobody uses the tool. I've done GDPR work at one of the biggest tech companies in the world. They had an existing (pre-GDPR) privacy tool that literally less than 100 people had ever used. This is a company with hundreds of millions of users.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        So, you're saying 'it works and that's why we shouldn't use it'? One company isn't a particularly solid sample. For some contrast: I've looked at 9 companies since the beginning of the year and all of them took the GDPR serious enough that it made them re-evaluate their privacy, security and data life cycles. The interesting bit is that they would have never done any of that if not for the GDPR, and that no matter what level of use the data privacy tools will see it doesn't matter because before they didn't have those tools and now they do. Besides that the GDPR has much wider scope than just allowing people access to their own data. Also, you should expect that as people become more aware of these things - and consumers will be more aware - that such tools will see more use.

Sharlin 9y ago

GDPR will hopefully make companies that do things like this really sweat. The EU doesn’t seem to be fucking around with that one.

fipple 9y ago
GDPR only increases engineering and compliance costs. It doesn’t have any consumer-side impact since to a first approximation, zero consumers take advantage of data privacy laws.
- notimetorelax 9y ago
  One significant advantage that comes with GDPR is the fact that users will be able to opt-out from any tracking that is not required for the service to function.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    It's much better than that, it is explicit and specific (as in with purpose) opt in and the defaults are to be 'off' (see section 4.11).
- IshKebab 9y ago
  That's not true. GDPR means you have to have explicit, clear consent for many things. It can't be hidden behind "you agree to our updated terms and conditions, click (here) for details" type things. Also it much be easy to opt out.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > since to a first approximation, zero consumers take advantage of data privacy laws. That's where that nice multiplier of 250,000 gets going. See, even if to a first approximation zero consumers take advantage of these laws if it turns out that 'approximately zero' out of 100 million is say 10,000 you're still fucked if you decide to play dumb. So round off all you want, but keep in mind the multiplier.
  - friedman23 9y ago
    multiplier? anyway, a company like google or apple could hardly care less about a number like 250,000 but a small European startup is hopelessly screwed.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      Yes, for those companies we have the 20% of worldwide gross revenues.
  - fipple 9y ago
    No, because of that multiplier all companies are coming into compliance and it's costing all of them a lot of money. But it isn't going to affect their revenue or advertising business models at all because nobody uses the tool. I've done GDPR work at one of the biggest tech companies in the world. They had an existing (pre-GDPR) privacy tool that literally less than 100 people had ever used. This is a company with hundreds of millions of users.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      So, you're saying 'it works and that's why we shouldn't use it'? One company isn't a particularly solid sample. For some contrast: I've looked at 9 companies since the beginning of the year and all of them took the GDPR serious enough that it made them re-evaluate their privacy, security and data life cycles. The interesting bit is that they would have never done any of that if not for the GDPR, and that no matter what level of use the data privacy tools will see it doesn't matter because before they didn't have those tools and now they do. Besides that the GDPR has much wider scope than just allowing people access to their own data. Also, you should expect that as people become more aware of these things - and consumers will be more aware - that such tools will see more use.