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This feels particularly evasive. If you want to claim that your technology is 10x safer, you should be able to back that up with self-insurance, and not try to

This feels particularly evasive. If you want to claim that your technology is 10x safer, you should be able to back that up with self-insurance, and not try to put the blame on the driver. If the autopilot does not think it is capable of driving safely, it should pull over to the shoulder of the road, not beep and flash.

1123581321 9y ago
It doesn't seem like pulling to the right would be safe in this situation. I think that automatically slowing down would be, though. Even slowing at a rate similar to a human letting their foot off the gas (to avoid unexpected behavior) would reduce the chance of fatality in a crash.
- andrewprock 9y ago
  People pull over to the shoulder safely everyday. If an autopilot car cannot do this, it should not be on the road.
  - 1123581321 9y ago
    People do not pull over to the shoulder when they are between lanes in (presumably) busy traffic, which is where you have to be to hit a median. I am not sure if Tesla's current system, which is still just cruise control with steering, should ever be changing lanes unprompted. I don't have a Tesla but I would not want my car's cruise control to do that right now. I do think that pulling over in safe conditions is something that a self-driving system needs to be able to do at some point on the path to full autonomy.
  - jonhendry18 9y ago
    In this situation I think the lane to the right is not the shoulder. So in a situation where there are only seconds to respond to an obstacle, there might be cars blocking the Tesla on the right.
greglindahl 9y ago
No one shipping a Level 2 system provides insurance for it. The definition of Level 2 is that the driver has responsibility.
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  That's very troubling. If you saw the Uber crash cam on the driver it's obvious that the "responsible drivers" are completely non-responsive, on their phones, half asleep. A system that lulls the driver into a false sense of security does NOT pass responsibility to said driver.
  - URSpider94 9y ago
    Uber is testing a Level 4-5 system, those systems will need to be insured since they will not have a driver in the car.
jonhendry18 9y ago
Speaking of insurance, but not self-insurance: I'm guessing that if I buy a Tesla with autopilot, I'm not going to find any insurers who will charge me discounted rates that reflect autopilot being 10x safer.

1123581321 9y ago

It doesn't seem like pulling to the right would be safe in this situation. I think that automatically slowing down would be, though. Even slowing at a rate similar to a human letting their foot off the gas (to avoid unexpected behavior) would reduce the chance of fatality in a crash.

andrewprock 9y ago
People pull over to the shoulder safely everyday. If an autopilot car cannot do this, it should not be on the road.
- 1123581321 9y ago
  People do not pull over to the shoulder when they are between lanes in (presumably) busy traffic, which is where you have to be to hit a median. I am not sure if Tesla's current system, which is still just cruise control with steering, should ever be changing lanes unprompted. I don't have a Tesla but I would not want my car's cruise control to do that right now. I do think that pulling over in safe conditions is something that a self-driving system needs to be able to do at some point on the path to full autonomy.
- jonhendry18 9y ago
  In this situation I think the lane to the right is not the shoulder. So in a situation where there are only seconds to respond to an obstacle, there might be cars blocking the Tesla on the right.

greglindahl 9y ago

No one shipping a Level 2 system provides insurance for it. The definition of Level 2 is that the driver has responsibility.

eanzenberg 9y ago
That's very troubling. If you saw the Uber crash cam on the driver it's obvious that the "responsible drivers" are completely non-responsive, on their phones, half asleep. A system that lulls the driver into a false sense of security does NOT pass responsibility to said driver.
- URSpider94 9y ago
  Uber is testing a Level 4-5 system, those systems will need to be insured since they will not have a driver in the car.

jonhendry18 9y ago

Speaking of insurance, but not self-insurance: I'm guessing that if I buy a Tesla with autopilot, I'm not going to find any insurers who will charge me discounted rates that reflect autopilot being 10x safer.