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Microsoft makes the most stable, easiest to use desktop OS, especially since Apple started slowing dwindling MacOS to make it into some kind of iOS varient. Wi

• albedoa 9y ago
  > Microsoft makes the most stable, easiest to use desktop OS > Windows still drives me nuts, has ads, gets stuck in tablet mode when I'm on a desktop, and has driver issues from time to time Stop, you're making this macOS user jealous.
• VexorLoophole 9y ago
  Mixing some things together, uh? You can't tell me that you windows drives you nuts, and keeps tweaking and tweaking making it worse. Still it is (your opinion) better as linux GUIs or Apple's one. And as arguments you mention playing games, watch movies, and browse the web?! All three are possible on all mentioned systems. The last two even in the completely same way as on windows (besides user interface). I am just glad that i switched to the other two options and never had to look back. Apple also fucks up things. Still a pretty solid system for my use case. Also i am not able to see the iOS-varent movement you mentioned. Also Linux GUIs get better and better. It shocks me everytime what Windows Users tolerate while bashing the other two system, when i have to configure something on our AD (only used Windows Server in house). Inconsistent GUI Designs on expensive software, xbox gaming center preinstalled on a SERVER EDITION, everything shuffeled together, ...
  • komali2 9y ago
    I can't speak for the server stuff, but objectively speaking gamers should be using Windows 10. Even just ignoring DirectX, it has the highest compatibility with the most popular games and most up to date drivers. I use Debian for work but the gaming rig is straight Windows. Shame SteamOS never took of, I was into it (got the steam wifi dongly doo on the TV in the living room with four steam controllers lol)
    • mattnewton 9y ago
      I have a Windows 10 license literally only for gaming and they still manage to make that a horrible experience, between first party xbone controllers regularly disconnecting, forced updates happening in the middle of a game (because the clock can’t remmeber my time zone reliably), and random issues like broken Ethernet drivers (on my skylake-era motherboard) after an update, or ads for some office 365 ripping me out of a full screen game. Every time it happens I just think how much I paid for this experience. If steam on Linux supported 1/10rd of triple A titles instead of 1/100th I would switch and never look back.
  • avoutthere 9y ago
    > you mention playing games, watch movies, and browse the web?! All three are possible on all mentioned systems How is Far Cry 5 on Linux? How about MacOS?
    • sidlls 9y ago
      That has more to do with ubiquity than quality.
  • fhood 9y ago
    Owner of windows 10 desktop, windows 7 laptop, and macbook pro here. Windows can go to hell. So many important things are crazy inconsistent. When plugging headphones stops being a complicated and finicky process I will consider re-evaluating my opinions. Also do you know what the difference between a Windows fuckup and a macOS fuckup is? The macOS fuckup makes news while the Windows one in business as usual. And there are adds. Built in to my OS. Fuck that.
• cat199 9y ago
  > Linux GUIs have been getting all fancy with it this is true mainly only for current Gnome and KDE- stay with xfce, lxde or even a window manager and this is not the case.
  • komali2 9y ago
    Barebones gnome has been great for me. One time I did the "full" install by accident and yea it came with a bunch of bullshit games and stuff, but otherwise it's been the most stable out of all of them. Unity or whatever Ubuntu ships with did not like working from an install on neither my macbook pro nor my thinkpad, and it really didn't like my 4k monitor. KDE didn't like switching between 4k and my laptop screen.
  • Multicomp 9y ago
    I'm only just now trying out Debian KDE as a daily driver (previously only Windows/OSX for all non "RDP/SSH into this box, run 5 commands for troubleshooting stuff then exit" usage scenarios) and I have to say, I'm okay with them getting all fancy with it if it means I have fuzzy analogues to Windows' Start Menu, Control Panel applets, settings dialogues, etc. The menus, etc. help me grope my way through the dark as I learn the "Linux Way" of computing concepts. Edit: fix my grammar a bit
• Scramblejams 9y ago
  I disagree with a few things in your post, but foremost among them is the word "stable". Just some anecdata, but the number of times I've had to reinstall because the OS was misbehaving and I couldn't figure out how to fix it: Linux: 0 MacOS X: 1 Windows: Lost count a long time ago. Had to do it twice with Windows 10 in the last year. Have you ever noticed how in most orgs, every IT guy's first response to a weird-looking Windows problem is to suggest a reinstall? And that's not even irrational. Troubleshooting Windows takes too long to be worthwhile, because there are too many places to look for where things might be going wrong. Its complexity has become unfathomable to mere mortals, and it shows in maintaining the OS.
  • fhood 9y ago
    Haha, how have you managed to avoid Linux re-installs? I almost always eventually break something horribly while tinkering. Always my fault, but still requires a reinstall.
    • Scramblejams 9y ago
      Oh if I'm screwing things up just to learn, I don't count that, and I've done that plenty of times on all operating systems I've used. Not the OS's fault, even for Windows. Just part of the fun!
    • btschaegg 9y ago
      I had the same problem until I realized this is actually a distro problem. Most distros focus very much on making the installing and configuring "easy" (still leaving much room for debate), but in turn make their system so rigid that it's pretty much unthinkable to fix lower-level problems during updates. Often, the software they package is ancient, which also doesn't help. If you're interested in avoiding that, try a rolling-release distro (updating frequently) with good documentation and a sane low-level setup.
      • greenyoda 9y ago
        Is there a particular distro you'd recommend?
• abtinf 9y ago
  I left Windows years ago, when they released Vista. Vista was so bad that, suddenly, I could no longer see a credible upgrade path. I had been dabbling with linux, so I switched to Ubuntu for a few years. But then Ubuntu also lost its mind, so I switched to Arch for a a year. I learned a lot during my time with Arch, but the most important lesson is "wow, a full blown OS, with an integrated DE, network management, and a dozen other systems does so much more for me than I ever knew." Then I switched to OSX for a time. I suffered greatly. Folks think Apple's software quality issues are a recent thing, but they aren't. Apple has always been extremely bad at making reliable software. I wasn't doing anything fancy, but experience data loss issues due to file system errors, iTunes wiping out years of song metadata, and on and on. And OSX is incredibly slow - not because of the software, but because of the CPU, RAM, and heat limits imposed by apple form factors. Even now, my work laptop is a fancy MBP, and it is just dog slow when doing any kind of meaningful work. The only nice thing about OSX is being able to pull of a terminal with familiar tools. I decided to try out windows 10 on my home desktop. I built this rig for much less than the cost of a mac, with all top-end parts. With 8 logical CPUs and 64gb RAM, it flies and I almost never experiences a slowdown of any kind. It doesn't matter how many dozens of browser tabs, terminals, or apps I have open. Running Ubuntu in Windows Subsystem for Linux is very pleasant and gives me access to proper command line tools. I haven't experienced the issues you mention (drivers all work like magic, haven't seen any ads, no tablet mode issues). I have some issues with Windows still. They've really outdone themselves in making the system settings windows almost totally unusable and confusing. And I wish a bash shell was the default terminal, along with more pre-packaged open source tools. Probably the single worst part is Windows Update - it is a fucking abomination, impossible to predict (will restarting or shutting down actually cause a 20 minute update cycle?) and disrupting work at all the wrong times. And bitlocker's refusal to just encrypt a hard drive without a TPM module present is stupid, especially since it wont let me save the encryption key to dropbox (saving to the same drive being encrypted is not allowed). But none of the downsides are deal breakers for me. My system is super stable, is always fast, and let's me get work done. I love it.
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• limeblack 9y ago
  Microsoft/Windows backwards compatibility is absolutely insane. I am running software from the 90s on my Windows machine. It works fine.
  • notafxn 9y ago
    There's nothing particularly insane about not breaking the APIs with every single release like OS X does with user-facing stuff or Linux does with kernel-facing stuff. In fact, you have to go the extra mile to break stuff.
    • ocdtrekkie 9y ago
      You'd be surprised, because a lot of Windows software developers do unholy things like plugging into undocumented APIs or modifying parts of the OS that should not be modified. Previous leaks of Windows source have indicated Microsoft ends up putting in a lot of workarounds to give specific third party apps old functionality just because some app is popular and badly written and a fix for something else broke it.
    • limeblack 9y ago
      Can you please give an example of something that is used frequently and that is as backwards compatible as Windows. Android is not from my experience(having to be often be recompiled for newer version.)
      • notafxn 9y ago
        I can't, and that's sad.
• setquk 9y ago
  And there’s a fine example of windows user bipolar disorder, a condition I suffer from also. It’s amazing but it pokes you in the eye ten times a day with ridiculous things that should just bloody well work. If it didn’t poke you in the eye ten times a day it’d be perfect. However Microsoft have been chasing fad dragons for the last decade and only get 80% of the way through engineering efforts before direction changes. That last 20% is what makes people nod approvingly and smile and it’s called quality. Hopefully this change will resolve that problem.
  • wvenable 9y ago
    With a non-trivial amount of tweaking (and 3rd party apps) you can make Windows 10 a non-poke-in-the-eye OS at least until the next major named release where you then have to redo at least a third of those tweaks. This is not huge praise for the Windows desktop but there really is a very good OS under all the crap that Microsoft seems to be piling on. It almost feels like there are two groups running Windows development: One group that is cleaning up the file manager, the settings dialogs, adding the Linux subsystem, fixing the console, etc. And other group adding Candy Crush, Cortana, screwing up the start menu / search, Edge, etc. The look, feel, and usability of these things are so radically different it's hard to believe that same team is responsible for them all.
    • AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
      That's my impression too: Whoever is working on the kernel, the driver subsystem, etc, and whoever is working on CLR stuff, can stay. Everyone else is fired.
      • wvenable 9y ago
        The problem is management and organizational priorities rather than the developers themselves. Microsoft was clearly able to give users what they want in the past (Windows 7) but that's clearly not the direction they're going.
    • btschaegg 9y ago
• neogodless 9y ago
  I don't know what "regular users" experience, because I'm a seasoned power user, but I agree. At home, I run things like Plex, Photoshop, Premier, Battlefield One, 1998 StarCraft, Spider Solitaire... they just work. I haven't had a real issue on my desktop, 3 laptops or 1 tablet (RT!) in a few years. (The last big issue was on a pre-release version of Windows 10.) At work I run all the .NET developer tools, alongside some front-end dev tools like Node and Grunt (what even are these things, I don't know, they work). Git, Chrome, Firefox, (Edge did have an issue with sharing an overloaded cache with IE, ew!) They just work. My biggest issue with my work machine is that it occasionally asks me to type in a 5 billion digit BitLocker key. But for the work I make it do, it works remarkably well, without complaint. shrug I am probably not a typical Windows OS user with typical experiences. But I do push my machines hard. (The corporate overlords have this machine running CrashPlan, Trend Micro.. but I run IIS, NodeJS, MongoDB, Bing Desktop, Visual Studio, Outlook, Word/Excel, Adobe Acrobat, SQL Server... the list goes on.) My home desktop is a Phenom II w/ just 4GB. It has had Vista, 7, 8/8.1 and now 10 on it. I think I did a clean sweep with 7, but I've gone through all the upgrades since then, and it's still running pretty well. (It won't cold boot, but that's a motherboard hardware problem!) It's approaching 10 years old at this point. Of course it has an SSD (actually 3...) or it would be pretty painful to use. But it isn't, and that's pretty impressive.
  • roryisok 9y ago
    Bing desktop? Really? What do you use that for?
    • neogodless 9y ago
      It periodically uses extra CPU cycles! Oh, and it updates my wallpaper about once a day to something new and shiny. (Similar to what Windows 10 lock screens do, but it's a different set of photos.) Though today's red and white architectural picture is a little harder to look at than the usual landscapes and fuzzy animals.
      • roryisok 9y ago
        Cool. They do have some beautiful photos on Bing
• AboutTheWhisles 9y ago
  It's unfortunate but OSX really does have lots of bugs and quirks that don't get fixed while linux and wayland are being integrated at a snails pace.
• AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
  >if for no other reason than that everyone else keeps screwing around and tweaking things that don't need tweaking. Sadly, Microsoft has decided to follow this path lately too. It's truly terrible that this mentality has infected them because there doesn't currently exist a decent alternative. They'll just keep screwing things up just enough that other desktops are still screwed up worse. Makes me want to give up computing and live in a cave.