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How is the the youtuber making sure the cat still gets stuff like taurine? I ask because I've always heard that cats are obligate carnivores and cannot live of

How is the the youtuber making sure the cat still gets stuff like taurine? I ask because I've always heard that cats are obligate carnivores and cannot live off a vegan/vegetarian diet[1]. [1] https://pets.webmd.com/features/vegetarian-diet-dogs-cats https://pets.webmd.com/features/vegetarian-diet-dogs-cats

zaarn 9y ago
At the very least a vegetarian diet would require a cat to eat dietary supplements, though I doubt it would be healthy (and still vegetarian)
latch 9y ago
How does a vegan get B12? Synthesis. Synthesized taurine is already added to some pet food. A cursory search shows that small levels of taurine is available from vegan sources. Goat and buffalo milk appear to be the best vegetarian source, but, if ~75mg/day for a cat is correct, neither seem close to significant enough.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  I have a natural b12 deficiency and can’t eat a vegetarian diet right now because of it. At the same time lactose intolerance runs in the family (though I don’t have much of a problem wth it). My doctor ordered me to eat more red meat. The difference in my overall well-being has been exponential over the past two years because of it.
  - amelius 9y ago
    How did you discover you had a deficiency?
    - chrisvalleybay 9y ago
      Do a blood test. All vegetarians should do blood tests every now and then. As an aside; I ate a vegan diet for 2-3 years and my B12 was fine. That’s not to say it would’ve been fine 2-3 years later, though.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      Like the other commenter said— it was a blood test. The result was actually low hemoglobin. Low hemo unfortunately runs in the family as well– my mother has a severe case of anemia and suffers a range of issues related to that. Thankfully, I'm nowhere near that case.
  - latch 9y ago
    Not questioning this, but curious if you can explain more. Why can't you just do one or many of: Taking a B12 supplement, eating fortified food (american breakfast cereals often have B12, especially the "healthier" options (plain cheerios, corn flakes, nut grapes, ...), nutritional yeast, ....), eating eggs? You mentioned lactose intolerance, but since you aren't really bothered by it, I assume cheese and possibly yogurt are absolutely no problem. I guess my question is why can't you. What is it about a natural b12 deficiency that makes it so the normal vegan or vegetarian options aren't sufficient?
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      I should have added that it's more complex than a simple low-B12. My blood work results have regularly shown low hemoglobin. It causes a lot of issues like inability to catch my breath, fatigue, and weakness as well as a foggy mind. The diagnosis was an Iron/B12 deficiency which is, IIRC, correlated. I don't have a ton of detail, myself. I had no leanings toward become a vegetarian so I didn't question his orders there. (edit: it's not completely related, but I'll note that my younger brother is vegetarian as his wife is vegan and he's as large as I am—maybe larger—and does just fine without poultry, red meat, or fish. Luck of the draw, it seems). I'm certainly not saying there are no routes to surviving well as a vegetarian maintaining some form of anemia or other B12/Iron deficiency, but I'm assuming his direction was that due to its proven concentration. I actually increased my diet of eggs, spinach, I'd long taken a cyanocobalamin orally daily before switching to a higher dose of methylcobalamin sublingual dose, and started eating yogurt. I try and avoid an excess of cheese and grains because I simply don't need that much in the way of fats and carbohydrates in my current regimen. Nutrition is complex, and I think it's generally accepted that acquiring nutrients through digestion is more reliable than supplementation. (so that I'm not saying this completely out of my ass, [0] [1]) [0] https://www.nature.com/news/nutrition-vitamins-on-trial-1.15459 https://www.nature.com/news/nutrition-vitamins-on-trial-1.15... [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-vitamin-supplements-improve-health/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-v...
  - devotedtoneu 9y ago
    I'm in the same boat, I resolved it with Nutritional Yeast.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      I prefer Brewer's Yeast in a particular liquid form ;) But I actually had to look up nutritional yeast as I hadn't heard of it here (Canada). It actually sounds like a promising supplement to my own diet. It seems like the only catch is that it doesn't produce B12 naturally, and I'll have to be sure to pick up the fortified version (unless they all are?)
      - latch 9y ago
        No. They don't all have added B12. Add to popcorn.
  - dangero 9y ago
    You listed two telltale signs of celiac disease: Low B12 Percieved Lactose Intolerance

zaarn 9y ago

At the very least a vegetarian diet would require a cat to eat dietary supplements, though I doubt it would be healthy (and still vegetarian)

latch 9y ago

How does a vegan get B12? Synthesis. Synthesized taurine is already added to some pet food. A cursory search shows that small levels of taurine is available from vegan sources. Goat and buffalo milk appear to be the best vegetarian source, but, if ~75mg/day for a cat is correct, neither seem close to significant enough.

52-6F-62 9y ago
I have a natural b12 deficiency and can’t eat a vegetarian diet right now because of it. At the same time lactose intolerance runs in the family (though I don’t have much of a problem wth it). My doctor ordered me to eat more red meat. The difference in my overall well-being has been exponential over the past two years because of it.
- amelius 9y ago
  How did you discover you had a deficiency?
  - chrisvalleybay 9y ago
    Do a blood test. All vegetarians should do blood tests every now and then. As an aside; I ate a vegan diet for 2-3 years and my B12 was fine. That’s not to say it would’ve been fine 2-3 years later, though.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    Like the other commenter said— it was a blood test. The result was actually low hemoglobin. Low hemo unfortunately runs in the family as well– my mother has a severe case of anemia and suffers a range of issues related to that. Thankfully, I'm nowhere near that case.
- latch 9y ago
  Not questioning this, but curious if you can explain more. Why can't you just do one or many of: Taking a B12 supplement, eating fortified food (american breakfast cereals often have B12, especially the "healthier" options (plain cheerios, corn flakes, nut grapes, ...), nutritional yeast, ....), eating eggs? You mentioned lactose intolerance, but since you aren't really bothered by it, I assume cheese and possibly yogurt are absolutely no problem. I guess my question is why can't you. What is it about a natural b12 deficiency that makes it so the normal vegan or vegetarian options aren't sufficient?
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I should have added that it's more complex than a simple low-B12. My blood work results have regularly shown low hemoglobin. It causes a lot of issues like inability to catch my breath, fatigue, and weakness as well as a foggy mind. The diagnosis was an Iron/B12 deficiency which is, IIRC, correlated. I don't have a ton of detail, myself. I had no leanings toward become a vegetarian so I didn't question his orders there. (edit: it's not completely related, but I'll note that my younger brother is vegetarian as his wife is vegan and he's as large as I am—maybe larger—and does just fine without poultry, red meat, or fish. Luck of the draw, it seems). I'm certainly not saying there are no routes to surviving well as a vegetarian maintaining some form of anemia or other B12/Iron deficiency, but I'm assuming his direction was that due to its proven concentration. I actually increased my diet of eggs, spinach, I'd long taken a cyanocobalamin orally daily before switching to a higher dose of methylcobalamin sublingual dose, and started eating yogurt. I try and avoid an excess of cheese and grains because I simply don't need that much in the way of fats and carbohydrates in my current regimen. Nutrition is complex, and I think it's generally accepted that acquiring nutrients through digestion is more reliable than supplementation. (so that I'm not saying this completely out of my ass, [0] [1]) [0] https://www.nature.com/news/nutrition-vitamins-on-trial-1.15459 https://www.nature.com/news/nutrition-vitamins-on-trial-1.15... [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-vitamin-supplements-improve-health/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-v...
- devotedtoneu 9y ago
  I'm in the same boat, I resolved it with Nutritional Yeast.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I prefer Brewer's Yeast in a particular liquid form ;) But I actually had to look up nutritional yeast as I hadn't heard of it here (Canada). It actually sounds like a promising supplement to my own diet. It seems like the only catch is that it doesn't produce B12 naturally, and I'll have to be sure to pick up the fortified version (unless they all are?)
    - latch 9y ago
      No. They don't all have added B12. Add to popcorn.
- dangero 9y ago
  You listed two telltale signs of celiac disease: Low B12 Percieved Lactose Intolerance