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Allow me to quote Diablo developer David Brevik describing when he finally yielded to demands and hacked together a "real time" version of his turn-based Diablo

Allow me to quote Diablo developer David Brevik describing when he finally yielded to demands and hacked together a "real time" version of his turn-based Diablo, by making turns elapse the rate of 20 turns a second. 'I remember taking the mouse, and I clicked on the mouse, and the warrior walked over and and smacked the skeleton down, and I was like "Oh my god! That was awesome!".' 'And the sun shone through the window, and God passed by, and the angels sung, and sure enough that was when the ARPG was kind of born at that moment, and I was lucky enough to be there.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc?t=27m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc?t=27m If you're in this part of this comment thread, you'll probably enjoy the whole video.

AdmiralAsshat 9y ago
Mm, yep, thanks for that. Primary sources always better than secondary. I kinda take issue with saying "the ARPG was born at that moment", though. We had JRPGs for almost a decade before that included realtime combat.
- netzone 9y ago
  ARPG is not the same as a realtime RPG...
amsilprotag 9y ago
If you're interested in Blizzard history, there's a 4-hour interview with Rob Pardo hosted by Civ 4 lead and Offworld Trading Company creator Soren Johnson. Pardo also recounts the beginnings of Diablo in part one around ~1:27:00, although he wasn't involved in the project at that time. Starcraft, WoW, and Hearthstone are also discussed. Warning: audio quality is not great. https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-part-1/ https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-... https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-part-2/ https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-...
- hsljekskfh 9y ago
  on that note, i read a book on blizzard's history "stay awhile and listen" that was not worth it. maybe it was because i read it right after masters of doom, but it felt like they were afraid to say anything negative, and as a result it's boring and also very hard to learn from whatever failures and successes they had.
frenchie4111 9y ago
Timed link is wrong, use this for that exact moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc&t=27m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc&t=27m
e12e 9y ago
This is really significant ; I remember playing a real-time (multilayer) Angband variant for like a minute: the gameplay didn’t translate at all to "realtime". It's one of my strongest experiences of ux ever. The actual realisation of going from turn based balanced fun to tick based balanced fun is far from obvious!
djur 9y ago
Ultima Underworld (1993), Ultima Underworld II (1994), Ultima VII (1994), and The Elder Scrolls: Arena (1994) all come to mind quickly as computer-based action RPGs that preceded Diablo (1996). And the Japanese were making top-down action RPGs as early as the '80s, especially those made by Nihon Falcom (Ys) and Quintet (Soul Blazer). I would particularly cite Brandish (1991, Nihon Falcom) as a similar type of realtime action dungeon crawler (although it wasn't released in the West until 1995). All that isn't to diminish the substantial achievements of Diablo, which was quite innovative. The fast, smooth gameplay was novel, as was the setting. It was compulsively playable and accessible while a lot of earlier action RPGs were kind of clunky. The art design was superb -- everything from the dreary, gothic environs to the satisfying animation and sound of a pile of gold bursting forth from a slain enemy. It's fair to say that Diablo was a milestone in ARPG history and highly influential.
- Will_Parker 9y ago
  I'll add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faery_Tale_Adventure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faery_Tale_Adventure (1987) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_of_Lore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_of_Lore (1988)
  - animal531 9y ago
    I'll disagree on all those (and the Ultima's etc in the grandparent comment). They were all focused on RPG and story first, then adding some action on top of that (via isometric, fps etc. modes). Diablo changed things in that it focused on action first, whereas the RPG element is just an add-on. Its gameplay cycles between essentially going deeper in a dungeon that's becoming more difficult, obtaining/selling etc. of items/potions in town so that you can descend further. Its story isn't really of (heavy) importance.
    - AdmiralAsshat 9y ago
      So what about Zelda II: Adventure of Link? The RPG elements were clearly secondary, given that they were absent from the original LoZ.

AdmiralAsshat 9y ago

Mm, yep, thanks for that. Primary sources always better than secondary. I kinda take issue with saying "the ARPG was born at that moment", though. We had JRPGs for almost a decade before that included realtime combat.

netzone 9y ago
ARPG is not the same as a realtime RPG...

amsilprotag 9y ago

If you're interested in Blizzard history, there's a 4-hour interview with Rob Pardo hosted by Civ 4 lead and Offworld Trading Company creator Soren Johnson. Pardo also recounts the beginnings of Diablo in part one around ~1:27:00, although he wasn't involved in the project at that time. Starcraft, WoW, and Hearthstone are also discussed. Warning: audio quality is not great. https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-part-1/ https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-... https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-part-2/ https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/rob-pardo-...

hsljekskfh 9y ago
on that note, i read a book on blizzard's history "stay awhile and listen" that was not worth it. maybe it was because i read it right after masters of doom, but it felt like they were afraid to say anything negative, and as a result it's boring and also very hard to learn from whatever failures and successes they had.

frenchie4111 9y ago

Timed link is wrong, use this for that exact moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc&t=27m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscdPA6sUkc&t=27m

e12e 9y ago

This is really significant ; I remember playing a real-time (multilayer) Angband variant for like a minute: the gameplay didn’t translate at all to "realtime". It's one of my strongest experiences of ux ever. The actual realisation of going from turn based balanced fun to tick based balanced fun is far from obvious!

djur 9y ago

Ultima Underworld (1993), Ultima Underworld II (1994), Ultima VII (1994), and The Elder Scrolls: Arena (1994) all come to mind quickly as computer-based action RPGs that preceded Diablo (1996). And the Japanese were making top-down action RPGs as early as the '80s, especially those made by Nihon Falcom (Ys) and Quintet (Soul Blazer). I would particularly cite Brandish (1991, Nihon Falcom) as a similar type of realtime action dungeon crawler (although it wasn't released in the West until 1995). All that isn't to diminish the substantial achievements of Diablo, which was quite innovative. The fast, smooth gameplay was novel, as was the setting. It was compulsively playable and accessible while a lot of earlier action RPGs were kind of clunky. The art design was superb -- everything from the dreary, gothic environs to the satisfying animation and sound of a pile of gold bursting forth from a slain enemy. It's fair to say that Diablo was a milestone in ARPG history and highly influential.

Will_Parker 9y ago
I'll add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faery_Tale_Adventure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faery_Tale_Adventure (1987) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_of_Lore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_of_Lore (1988)
- animal531 9y ago
  I'll disagree on all those (and the Ultima's etc in the grandparent comment). They were all focused on RPG and story first, then adding some action on top of that (via isometric, fps etc. modes). Diablo changed things in that it focused on action first, whereas the RPG element is just an add-on. Its gameplay cycles between essentially going deeper in a dungeon that's becoming more difficult, obtaining/selling etc. of items/potions in town so that you can descend further. Its story isn't really of (heavy) importance.
  - AdmiralAsshat 9y ago
    So what about Zelda II: Adventure of Link? The RPG elements were clearly secondary, given that they were absent from the original LoZ.