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Steve is the 'brave general' that sparked Apple, destroyed it, and rebuilt it again. He may have been a sociopath artist in his 20's but he grew up to be the wo

by rblion 16y ago

Steve is the 'brave general' that sparked Apple, destroyed it, and rebuilt it again. He may have been a sociopath artist in his 20's but he grew up to be the world's greatest CEO in his 40's and 50's. Just look at the Apple 10 years ago and look at them now.

joe_the_user 16y ago
Hmm, Does building Apple to the level it is now prove he stopped being a sociopath or prove that he was the right sociopath for the right job?
- joe_the_user 16y ago
  See also "The Gervais Principle": http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-o...
- rblion 16y ago
  Once a sociopath, always a sociopath. However, the Steve running the show today is not the same as the Steve that got kicked out. He certainly would not have been able to execute grand plans like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad without having hundreds of brilliant people working with him and being proud of their work.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > However, the Steve running the show today is not the same as the Steve that got kicked out. I really don't think that's true. > He certainly would not have been able to execute grand plans like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad without having hundreds of brilliant people working with him and being proud of their work. Most of the Macintosh team did seem proud enough under him (so much so that some followed him to NeXT). He probably learned a lots of stuff inbetween, but the biggest difference is the people he found to work around him. He doesn't seem to have significantly changed himself,
    - rblion 16y ago
      What is your problem with the guy? What evil has he done to you or to Earth?
masklinn 16y ago
> Steve is the 'brave general' that sparked Apple, destroyed it When? How? I've always been under the impression that Apple's destruction had followed jobs's ousting. Unless you mean that Jobs destroyed Apple by hiring Sculley? > He may have been a sociopath artist in his 20's but he grew up to be the world's greatest CEO in his 40's and 50's. Just look at the Apple 10 years ago and look at them now. But it's not like the successes of his 40s were built on nothing. Pixar and NeXT didn't spring up from some kind of void in the mid-90s as Jobs reached 40.
- rblion 16y ago
  His ego destroyed Apple and got him ousted. When reality humbled him, he returned and rebuilt it for the 21st century. NeXT was part of rebuilding Apple. That's how he got back to Apple... Steve was only a benevolent patron to Pixar. He didn't micromanage them or take credit for any of the movies being 'his visions'.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > His ego destroyed Apple and got him ousted. When reality humbled him, he returned and rebuilt it for the 21st century. I still don't see that. > NeXT was part of rebuilding Apple. That's how he got back to Apple... You do realize that he founded NeXT as he was being thrown out of Apple don't you? > Steve was only a benevolent patron to Pixar. He didn't micromanage them or take credit for any of the movies being 'his visions'. No, but he did understand what it could become and he did become it's patron. That's pretty significant. He's also the one who decided to refocus Pixar from its original business, hardware, to what it is today, a studio, CGI and animation company. And he managed most of the relations with Disney (including the Eisner fallout). Credit for Pixar's work goes to Lasseter and his team, but credit for Pixar existing at all, let alone going from a $5m Lucas Arts team to a $8b Disney subsidiary in 20 years can hardly go to anybody but Jobs.
    - rblion 16y ago
      Dude. I am not trying to fight you with words. NeXT became Steve's parachute. He had a feeling, the board was getting fed up with his ego. Pixar needed a leader, Lucas got divorced. Steve saved the ship... Steve pulled a Buddha. Had everything in his 20's. Lost it all before 30. Rebuilt his life and his work to be a part of human history when he humbled himself. When people look back centuries from now, Steve will be remembered as a hero, not a villain.

by rblion 16y ago

joe_the_user 16y ago

Hmm, Does building Apple to the level it is now prove he stopped being a sociopath or prove that he was the right sociopath for the right job?

joe_the_user 16y ago
See also "The Gervais Principle": http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-o...
rblion 16y ago
Once a sociopath, always a sociopath. However, the Steve running the show today is not the same as the Steve that got kicked out. He certainly would not have been able to execute grand plans like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad without having hundreds of brilliant people working with him and being proud of their work.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > However, the Steve running the show today is not the same as the Steve that got kicked out. I really don't think that's true. > He certainly would not have been able to execute grand plans like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad without having hundreds of brilliant people working with him and being proud of their work. Most of the Macintosh team did seem proud enough under him (so much so that some followed him to NeXT). He probably learned a lots of stuff inbetween, but the biggest difference is the people he found to work around him. He doesn't seem to have significantly changed himself,
  - rblion 16y ago
    What is your problem with the guy? What evil has he done to you or to Earth?

masklinn 16y ago

> Steve is the 'brave general' that sparked Apple, destroyed it When? How? I've always been under the impression that Apple's destruction had followed jobs's ousting. Unless you mean that Jobs destroyed Apple by hiring Sculley? > He may have been a sociopath artist in his 20's but he grew up to be the world's greatest CEO in his 40's and 50's. Just look at the Apple 10 years ago and look at them now. But it's not like the successes of his 40s were built on nothing. Pixar and NeXT didn't spring up from some kind of void in the mid-90s as Jobs reached 40.

rblion 16y ago
His ego destroyed Apple and got him ousted. When reality humbled him, he returned and rebuilt it for the 21st century. NeXT was part of rebuilding Apple. That's how he got back to Apple... Steve was only a benevolent patron to Pixar. He didn't micromanage them or take credit for any of the movies being 'his visions'.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > His ego destroyed Apple and got him ousted. When reality humbled him, he returned and rebuilt it for the 21st century. I still don't see that. > NeXT was part of rebuilding Apple. That's how he got back to Apple... You do realize that he founded NeXT as he was being thrown out of Apple don't you? > Steve was only a benevolent patron to Pixar. He didn't micromanage them or take credit for any of the movies being 'his visions'. No, but he did understand what it could become and he did become it's patron. That's pretty significant. He's also the one who decided to refocus Pixar from its original business, hardware, to what it is today, a studio, CGI and animation company. And he managed most of the relations with Disney (including the Eisner fallout). Credit for Pixar's work goes to Lasseter and his team, but credit for Pixar existing at all, let alone going from a $5m Lucas Arts team to a $8b Disney subsidiary in 20 years can hardly go to anybody but Jobs.
  - rblion 16y ago
    Dude. I am not trying to fight you with words. NeXT became Steve's parachute. He had a feeling, the board was getting fed up with his ego. Pixar needed a leader, Lucas got divorced. Steve saved the ship... Steve pulled a Buddha. Had everything in his 20's. Lost it all before 30. Rebuilt his life and his work to be a part of human history when he humbled himself. When people look back centuries from now, Steve will be remembered as a hero, not a villain.