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I've mentioned this a few times here on HN, but I fled California (San Francisco) in January for Nashville, TN and couldn't be happier. I moved over my Californ

I've mentioned this a few times here on HN, but I fled California (San Francisco) in January for Nashville, TN and couldn't be happier. I moved over my California LLC and businesses to a Tennessee LLC (no state income tax). People for the most part are super friendly (almost awkward friendly), and that southern hospitality is really a thing. Costs are out of control, lawmakers and California state laws are backwards and anti-business, taxes are high, and open borders / sanctuary cities (my personal political opinion) are detrimental.

enraged_camel 9y ago
Counterpoint: Tennessee is very religious and also backwards as hell[1], and if you aren’t white you will have a difficult time fitting in. [1]Just one recent example: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-lawmakers-pass-god-trust-school-bill-53929916 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-lawmakers-pass-...
- freejulian 9y ago
  Counter-counter point: the valley is filled with over inflated egos and developers whose sole business model is stealing people’s private data to sell ads. They tend to think tech wouldn’t exist without them when in reality their only contribution to the world is a few crappy web frameworks. Edit: looks like I struck a nerve with the valley script kiddies. Keep on downvoting. You’re the reason n-gate.com was created.
  - convolvatron 9y ago
    those things can both be true
  - masonic 9y ago
    whose sole business model is stealing people’s private data to sell ads Well, a few actually do make things or provide identifiable services. They just don't get much press.
- nodesocket 9y ago
  Backwards is relative. Being religious, anti-globalization, or conservative doesn't make you a horrible person. The bay area is probably the most intolerant place I've ever been. I've personally seen people unfriend friends because of politics without even being able to have a thoughtful and educated discussion about the issues. The bay area is group thinking "madness of crowds" at its worse. I encourage watching Peter Thiel explain why he left San Francisco (albeit for LA): https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5V8YXmkBHok&app=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5V8YXmkBHok...
  - freejulian 9y ago
    Opinions contrary to the hackernews bubble are met with the same intolerance.
  - spicymaki 9y ago
    Let’s be real. Aren’t you just trading one groupthink (liberal west coast) for another groupthink (conservative south east) that meets your desires? Do you really think a thoughtful and educated discussion would have really helped?
    - freejulian 9y ago
      Wow you’re trapped in a bubble. The valley is the most close minded place I’ve ever lived. Live in NYC for a bit, it’s the polar opposite.
      - AckSyn 9y ago
        I've lived in both places and NYC is far more tolerant.
    - jeffdavis 9y ago
      It varies from place to place. The Bay Area is liberal groupthink, but Portland, OR is liberal but not groupthink (when I lived there 10 years ago, anyway).
  - 9y ago
- reversecs 9y ago
  I know many in Seattle who draw an extreme image of the South and for the most part it feels highly political. In that case I remember that Intolerance of other points of view is the definition of bigotry. It's important to not color an entire state of people with specific moral values.

enraged_camel 9y ago

Counterpoint: Tennessee is very religious and also backwards as hell[1], and if you aren’t white you will have a difficult time fitting in. [1]Just one recent example: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-lawmakers-pass-god-trust-school-bill-53929916 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-lawmakers-pass-...

freejulian 9y ago
Counter-counter point: the valley is filled with over inflated egos and developers whose sole business model is stealing people’s private data to sell ads. They tend to think tech wouldn’t exist without them when in reality their only contribution to the world is a few crappy web frameworks. Edit: looks like I struck a nerve with the valley script kiddies. Keep on downvoting. You’re the reason n-gate.com was created.
- convolvatron 9y ago
  those things can both be true
- masonic 9y ago
  whose sole business model is stealing people’s private data to sell ads Well, a few actually do make things or provide identifiable services. They just don't get much press.
nodesocket 9y ago
Backwards is relative. Being religious, anti-globalization, or conservative doesn't make you a horrible person. The bay area is probably the most intolerant place I've ever been. I've personally seen people unfriend friends because of politics without even being able to have a thoughtful and educated discussion about the issues. The bay area is group thinking "madness of crowds" at its worse. I encourage watching Peter Thiel explain why he left San Francisco (albeit for LA): https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5V8YXmkBHok&app=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5V8YXmkBHok...
- freejulian 9y ago
  Opinions contrary to the hackernews bubble are met with the same intolerance.
- spicymaki 9y ago
  Let’s be real. Aren’t you just trading one groupthink (liberal west coast) for another groupthink (conservative south east) that meets your desires? Do you really think a thoughtful and educated discussion would have really helped?
  - freejulian 9y ago
    Wow you’re trapped in a bubble. The valley is the most close minded place I’ve ever lived. Live in NYC for a bit, it’s the polar opposite.
    - AckSyn 9y ago
      I've lived in both places and NYC is far more tolerant.
  - jeffdavis 9y ago
    It varies from place to place. The Bay Area is liberal groupthink, but Portland, OR is liberal but not groupthink (when I lived there 10 years ago, anyway).
- 9y ago
reversecs 9y ago
I know many in Seattle who draw an extreme image of the South and for the most part it feels highly political. In that case I remember that Intolerance of other points of view is the definition of bigotry. It's important to not color an entire state of people with specific moral values.