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And it begs the question: did Uber alter the video? Will it alter the telemetry, too? If the Tempe police doesn't get forensics experts on this, they're doing

by mtgx 9y ago

And it begs the question: did Uber alter the video? Will it alter the telemetry, too? If the Tempe police doesn't get forensics experts on this, they're doing their job wrong. Uber is already known as a company that tends to hide and destroy this sort of evidence.

dekhn 9y ago
It would be really hard to believe that Uber would do this. There is only downside, the probability of being caught is high (given they have to hand over a ton of data streams to the NTSB).
- mtgx 9y ago
  > There is only downside Not true. There is a lot of upside if Uber is declared blameless and innocent in this accident. It could be the difference between Uber deploying self-driving taxis within a year or four. Uber hasn't shied away from this sort of "risky gambles" before. I mean, their entire business model was based on avoiding or breaking laws in multiple countries. So don't tell me "it's very unlikely Uber did this". With Uber's track record, I'd rather believe the opposite until proven otherwise. You know the saying: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 7 times, and I'm the idiot". I don't like being an idiot.
- jhall1468 9y ago
  There's upside if they don't get caught, and Uber has a history of not making good choices as far as legality and ethics are concerned.
- cujo 9y ago
  There is definitely upside. You know, not getting caught with a crap system that shouldn't be on the road.
- wyldfire 9y ago
  Uber, like many companies, is filled with people who may put their own interests or even the very-near-term corporate interests over the long term interests of the company. Given other missteps by Uber's management (which led to a business impact), I think we should not count on them being purely rational actors.
- eddieroger 9y ago
  Uber's history defends the position that they're willing to do things regardless of the chance of getting caught and being willing to deal with the fallout later. That's kind of their whole thing - drive in a city no matter the regulations of taxis and the like, and deal with the bureaucracy after. Why wouldn't they alter things if given the chance?
dktoao 9y ago
Why is this being down-voted? This was the first thought I had. Their history as a company does suggest that they would do exactly this and try to get away with it.

by mtgx 9y ago

dekhn 9y ago

It would be really hard to believe that Uber would do this. There is only downside, the probability of being caught is high (given they have to hand over a ton of data streams to the NTSB).

mtgx 9y ago
> There is only downside Not true. There is a lot of upside if Uber is declared blameless and innocent in this accident. It could be the difference between Uber deploying self-driving taxis within a year or four. Uber hasn't shied away from this sort of "risky gambles" before. I mean, their entire business model was based on avoiding or breaking laws in multiple countries. So don't tell me "it's very unlikely Uber did this". With Uber's track record, I'd rather believe the opposite until proven otherwise. You know the saying: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 7 times, and I'm the idiot". I don't like being an idiot.
jhall1468 9y ago
There's upside if they don't get caught, and Uber has a history of not making good choices as far as legality and ethics are concerned.
cujo 9y ago
There is definitely upside. You know, not getting caught with a crap system that shouldn't be on the road.
wyldfire 9y ago
Uber, like many companies, is filled with people who may put their own interests or even the very-near-term corporate interests over the long term interests of the company. Given other missteps by Uber's management (which led to a business impact), I think we should not count on them being purely rational actors.
eddieroger 9y ago
Uber's history defends the position that they're willing to do things regardless of the chance of getting caught and being willing to deal with the fallout later. That's kind of their whole thing - drive in a city no matter the regulations of taxis and the like, and deal with the bureaucracy after. Why wouldn't they alter things if given the chance?

dktoao 9y ago

Why is this being down-voted? This was the first thought I had. Their history as a company does suggest that they would do exactly this and try to get away with it.