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And soon mother Russia might have access to almost everyones conversations. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-20/telegram-loses-bid-to-stop-russia

And soon mother Russia might have access to almost everyones conversations. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-20/telegram-loses-bid-to-stop-russia-from-getting-encryption-keys https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-20/telegram-... If that is not already the case...

sschueller 9y ago
Why are you using the therm "mother Russia"? Are you trying to politicize this conversation? People should stop worrying about whatsapp, telegream etc. The biggest security hole are the keyboards on your phone. Especially on android. Has anyone bothers to check what data for example Swiftkey collects or potentially could?
- fermienrico 9y ago
  Just because B is potentially worse than A, lets forget about A and discuss how bad B is.
hnarn 9y ago
"To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data. Thanks to this structure, we can ensure that no single government or block of like-minded countries can intrude on people's privacy and freedom of expression. Telegram can be forced to give up data only if an issue is grave and universal enough to pass the scrutiny of several different legal systems around the world. To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments." https://telegram.org/faq https://telegram.org/faq
- akvadrako 9y ago
  If telegram continues to have a legal presence in Russia and/or not be blocked, they will have to do what the Russian authorities say.
  - rkoten 9y ago
    Looks like they are willing to let Russian authorities block the app. https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509 https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509
- 0ld 9y ago
  1. Sure they say that. Doesn't mean it's true. 2. No keys splitting will protect you if fsb has hold on the company (and they most likely have) It's a pity 200M people do not understand that Edit: formatting
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    Crazy that this gets downvoted. Telegram is ran by Russian oligarchs that built the local equivalent of facebook. Telegram was developed in the st. Petersburg offices of the local facebook equivalent. Telegram developers have deliberately made encrypted conversations impossible to use, despite selling their app on it’s “encryption”. Telegram developers also choose to use pretty questionable crypto, why? Why are people so inclined to trust Telegram?
    - ReverseCold 9y ago
      It's fast, free, has native apps on every platform, has good APIs and fun stuff (stickers, etc). I don't understand why chat apps are so hard for large companies. How to make a good chat app: Just copy Telegram, but end to end encrypt everything by default.
      - jamesb93 9y ago
        I wish that someone would just do this. Signal could have been great but the usability is crap in comparison to Telegram
collyw 9y ago
At least the Russian government doesn't have many ways to meddle in my life. I would be far more worried about my own government having access to my conversations.
- codedokode 9y ago
  You cannot be sure that Durov will not share or sell your data to your government. Once you gave him the data you have no control over them.
  - adventured 9y ago
    Or how about this one. Putin gives the Trump administration information on activists in the US, people part of the so called resistance, that are using telegram. Pavel Durov is told to keep quiet, or he'll get to eat some polonium. A modern COINTELPRO. I'm not saying that's likely, however given history, it also wouldn't be surprising.
  - collyw 9y ago
    Thats true. But would they trust the Russians to give real information?
codedokode 9y ago
Durov already has your contact list and all of your messages on his servers. He can sell it to whoever he wants and you won't be able to prevent this.

sschueller 9y ago

Why are you using the therm "mother Russia"? Are you trying to politicize this conversation? People should stop worrying about whatsapp, telegream etc. The biggest security hole are the keyboards on your phone. Especially on android. Has anyone bothers to check what data for example Swiftkey collects or potentially could?

fermienrico 9y ago
Just because B is potentially worse than A, lets forget about A and discuss how bad B is.

hnarn 9y ago

"To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data. Thanks to this structure, we can ensure that no single government or block of like-minded countries can intrude on people's privacy and freedom of expression. Telegram can be forced to give up data only if an issue is grave and universal enough to pass the scrutiny of several different legal systems around the world. To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments." https://telegram.org/faq https://telegram.org/faq

akvadrako 9y ago
If telegram continues to have a legal presence in Russia and/or not be blocked, they will have to do what the Russian authorities say.
- rkoten 9y ago
  Looks like they are willing to let Russian authorities block the app. https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509 https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509
0ld 9y ago
1. Sure they say that. Doesn't mean it's true. 2. No keys splitting will protect you if fsb has hold on the company (and they most likely have) It's a pity 200M people do not understand that Edit: formatting
- ryanlol 9y ago
  Crazy that this gets downvoted. Telegram is ran by Russian oligarchs that built the local equivalent of facebook. Telegram was developed in the st. Petersburg offices of the local facebook equivalent. Telegram developers have deliberately made encrypted conversations impossible to use, despite selling their app on it’s “encryption”. Telegram developers also choose to use pretty questionable crypto, why? Why are people so inclined to trust Telegram?
  - ReverseCold 9y ago
    It's fast, free, has native apps on every platform, has good APIs and fun stuff (stickers, etc). I don't understand why chat apps are so hard for large companies. How to make a good chat app: Just copy Telegram, but end to end encrypt everything by default.
    - jamesb93 9y ago
      I wish that someone would just do this. Signal could have been great but the usability is crap in comparison to Telegram

collyw 9y ago

At least the Russian government doesn't have many ways to meddle in my life. I would be far more worried about my own government having access to my conversations.

codedokode 9y ago
You cannot be sure that Durov will not share or sell your data to your government. Once you gave him the data you have no control over them.
- adventured 9y ago
  Or how about this one. Putin gives the Trump administration information on activists in the US, people part of the so called resistance, that are using telegram. Pavel Durov is told to keep quiet, or he'll get to eat some polonium. A modern COINTELPRO. I'm not saying that's likely, however given history, it also wouldn't be surprising.
- collyw 9y ago
  Thats true. But would they trust the Russians to give real information?

codedokode 9y ago

Durov already has your contact list and all of your messages on his servers. He can sell it to whoever he wants and you won't be able to prevent this.