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Teenagers can hack NASA [0] so I don't think a sufficiently motivated attacker, possibly backed by a nation state, couldn't pull off something like this as a fa

by vageli 9y ago

Teenagers can hack NASA [0] so I don't think a sufficiently motivated attacker, possibly backed by a nation state, couldn't pull off something like this as a false flag. [0]: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119423&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119423&page=1

gruez 9y ago
...and NASA is known to have top opsec?
stordoff 9y ago
Why would NASA's defences be comparable to GRU?
Nomentatus 9y ago
And it's still 1999?
Lazare 9y ago
> Teenagers can hack NASA [...] so I don't think a sufficiently motivated attacker [...] couldn't pull off something like this Right, the fact someone could compromise a random government agency in the 90s clearly means someone else could compromise Russian military intelligence in 2016, because NASA's IT security in the 90s is totally comparable to the GRU today, absolutely. > possibly backed by a nation state Which nation state, exactly?
- refulgentis 9y ago
  Considering a U.S. ally had their tendrils so deep inside GRU that they had a live video feed, you should probably reevaluate your assigned probabilities.
  - equalunique 9y ago
    You mean the recent story which broke by Dutch intel? There is no public video recording to substantiate their claim. You'd think this entire debate would be settled if on YouTube we could all just watch visual proof of Russians hacking the US. They also claimed that the video feed came from a university building in Moscow's Red Square. I challenge you to find such a building on a map of the Red Square.
    - refulgentis 9y ago
      Your entire posting history is devoted to obscure conspiracy screeds whenever Russia is involved – it's truly remarkable your account has persisted this long.
      - equalunique 9y ago
        That's an extremely offensive thing to say. Also, that is not a true characterization of my comment history. If you do want to discuss that topic, I am more than happy to engage in discussions supported by sourced material.
      - equalunique 9y ago
        Did you find that university building inside the red square yet? Where is it on google maps? The story which made it to HN: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... My analysis is below, but I encourage you to look at Suzie Dawson's epic takedown here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@suzi3d/10-reasons-the-dutch-russia-hacking-story-is-fake-news https://steemit.com/steemit/@suzi3d/10-reasons-the-dutch-rus... So, just because the US intelligence community gets attribution details in 2014 doesn't mean they didn't fake the attribution for the 2016 DNC hack. That's like me registering an account with your username on some site and posting stuff with it - many digital "fingerprints" can be faked. Readers of HN should know this (lol). Also, the author's claim that the US intelligence community attributed the DNC hack is dubious. James Clapper did, and he threw around a debunked "17 intelligence agencies" slogan[0], but the man's a retired partisan[1]. Recall that the DNC would not let the FBI do actual forensics on their hacked server[2] - well, there's one intelligence agency that didn't get a chance to make an official attribution. Recall too that the Crowdstrike's hack report claims were debunked by the Ukranian army[3] & authenticity of the C&C software was questioned by many in the cyber security community[4]. Like, who didn't know that Russia had hackers? We also know that the DNC/DeepState have a scapegoat. [0] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/06/clapper_confirms_17_intelligence_agencies_russia_story_was_false.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/06/clapper_c... [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-re... [2] http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/09/the_fbi_is_harder_to_trust_on_the_dnc_hack_because_it_relied_on_crowdstrike.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/09/the_fbi_i... [3] https://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report/3781411.html https://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-... [4] http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-...
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Right, the fact someone could compromise a random government agency in the 90s clearly means someone else could compromise Russian military intelligence in 2016, because NASA's IT security in the 90s is totally comparable to the GRU today, absolutely. Because such hacks don't happen today? >Which nation state, exactly? Well, which nation state likes false flags and BS excuses like WMDs for their target du jour?
  - aldous 9y ago
    Are you referring to the Kremlin? There is a wealth of allegations of such activities attributed to them: The most infamous (and heinous) oft sighted example... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings And there are plenty of more recent allegations such as the framing of North Korea for the attempts to disrupt the Winter Olympics: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-false-flag-hacks/ https://www.wired.com/story/russia-false-flag-hacks/ Parkland shootings etc etc http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/22/how-russian-trolls-exploited-parkland-mass-shootin/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/22/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/after-the-parkland-shooting-pro-russian-bots-are-pushing-false-flag-allegations-again/2018/02/16/46c3a674-1356-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.70a88d7e0fd4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/after-the-parkland-s...
bnjms 9y ago
I find it amusing that those who call false flag sound as if they are the ones flying a false flag. It's exactly the sort of action one would expect to call out if I was trying to turn a population in on itself. False flag is a recently common accusation which did not used to be common on the internet.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Blaming everything on "Russian hackers" also didn't use to be "common on the internet". As words, phrases and fads spreads on the press, so they do on the internet.
  - cjslep 9y ago
    Where have you been? "Russian hackers" has been an internet trope before memes were a thing.
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      Back in my day it used to be "chinese hackers" but I guess we have always been at war with Eurasia.
      - checkyoursudo 9y ago
        https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Russian+hackers%2CChinese+hackers&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CRussian%20hackers%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CChinese%20hackers%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Russian+hacker...
    - coldtea 9y ago
      Not referring to the internet trope (or the existence of hackers in Russia and/or Eastern Europe), but the actual BS press "Russian hackers behind this and that", which is the "WMDs" of late 2010s.
      - 9y ago

by vageli 9y ago

gruez 9y ago

...and NASA is known to have top opsec?

stordoff 9y ago

Why would NASA's defences be comparable to GRU?

Nomentatus 9y ago

And it's still 1999?

Lazare 9y ago

> Teenagers can hack NASA [...] so I don't think a sufficiently motivated attacker [...] couldn't pull off something like this Right, the fact someone could compromise a random government agency in the 90s clearly means someone else could compromise Russian military intelligence in 2016, because NASA's IT security in the 90s is totally comparable to the GRU today, absolutely. > possibly backed by a nation state Which nation state, exactly?

refulgentis 9y ago
Considering a U.S. ally had their tendrils so deep inside GRU that they had a live video feed, you should probably reevaluate your assigned probabilities.
- equalunique 9y ago
  You mean the recent story which broke by Dutch intel? There is no public video recording to substantiate their claim. You'd think this entire debate would be settled if on YouTube we could all just watch visual proof of Russians hacking the US. They also claimed that the video feed came from a university building in Moscow's Red Square. I challenge you to find such a building on a map of the Red Square.
  - refulgentis 9y ago
    Your entire posting history is devoted to obscure conspiracy screeds whenever Russia is involved – it's truly remarkable your account has persisted this long.
    - equalunique 9y ago
      That's an extremely offensive thing to say. Also, that is not a true characterization of my comment history. If you do want to discuss that topic, I am more than happy to engage in discussions supported by sourced material.
    - equalunique 9y ago
      Did you find that university building inside the red square yet? Where is it on google maps? The story which made it to HN: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... My analysis is below, but I encourage you to look at Suzie Dawson's epic takedown here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@suzi3d/10-reasons-the-dutch-russia-hacking-story-is-fake-news https://steemit.com/steemit/@suzi3d/10-reasons-the-dutch-rus... So, just because the US intelligence community gets attribution details in 2014 doesn't mean they didn't fake the attribution for the 2016 DNC hack. That's like me registering an account with your username on some site and posting stuff with it - many digital "fingerprints" can be faked. Readers of HN should know this (lol). Also, the author's claim that the US intelligence community attributed the DNC hack is dubious. James Clapper did, and he threw around a debunked "17 intelligence agencies" slogan[0], but the man's a retired partisan[1]. Recall that the DNC would not let the FBI do actual forensics on their hacked server[2] - well, there's one intelligence agency that didn't get a chance to make an official attribution. Recall too that the Crowdstrike's hack report claims were debunked by the Ukranian army[3] & authenticity of the C&C software was questioned by many in the cyber security community[4]. Like, who didn't know that Russia had hackers? We also know that the DNC/DeepState have a scapegoat. [0] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/06/clapper_confirms_17_intelligence_agencies_russia_story_was_false.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/06/clapper_c... [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-re... [2] http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/09/the_fbi_is_harder_to_trust_on_the_dnc_hack_because_it_relied_on_crowdstrike.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/05/09/the_fbi_i... [3] https://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-russian-hacking-report/3781411.html https://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rewrites-part-disputed-... [4] http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-...
coldtea 9y ago
>Right, the fact someone could compromise a random government agency in the 90s clearly means someone else could compromise Russian military intelligence in 2016, because NASA's IT security in the 90s is totally comparable to the GRU today, absolutely. Because such hacks don't happen today? >Which nation state, exactly? Well, which nation state likes false flags and BS excuses like WMDs for their target du jour?
- aldous 9y ago
  Are you referring to the Kremlin? There is a wealth of allegations of such activities attributed to them: The most infamous (and heinous) oft sighted example... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings And there are plenty of more recent allegations such as the framing of North Korea for the attempts to disrupt the Winter Olympics: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-false-flag-hacks/ https://www.wired.com/story/russia-false-flag-hacks/ Parkland shootings etc etc http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/22/how-russian-trolls-exploited-parkland-mass-shootin/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/22/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/after-the-parkland-shooting-pro-russian-bots-are-pushing-false-flag-allegations-again/2018/02/16/46c3a674-1356-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.70a88d7e0fd4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/after-the-parkland-s...

bnjms 9y ago

I find it amusing that those who call false flag sound as if they are the ones flying a false flag. It's exactly the sort of action one would expect to call out if I was trying to turn a population in on itself. False flag is a recently common accusation which did not used to be common on the internet.

coldtea 9y ago
Blaming everything on "Russian hackers" also didn't use to be "common on the internet". As words, phrases and fads spreads on the press, so they do on the internet.
- cjslep 9y ago
  Where have you been? "Russian hackers" has been an internet trope before memes were a thing.
  - chillwaves 9y ago
    Back in my day it used to be "chinese hackers" but I guess we have always been at war with Eurasia.
    - checkyoursudo 9y ago
      https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Russian+hackers%2CChinese+hackers&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CRussian%20hackers%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CChinese%20hackers%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Russian+hacker...
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Not referring to the internet trope (or the existence of hackers in Russia and/or Eastern Europe), but the actual BS press "Russian hackers behind this and that", which is the "WMDs" of late 2010s.
    - 9y ago