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I'm really not trying to be facetious, > If Google knows that sex traffickers are using gmail to coordinate their sex-trafficking activities, they'd be liable

I'm really not trying to be facetious, > If Google knows that sex traffickers are using gmail to coordinate their sex-trafficking activities, they'd be liable for "knowingly facilitating" sex trafficking Is that not...good? If Google is reading my emails to sell me stuff (and I've given them permission to do so by using their service), and sees (reasonable) evidence I'm engaged in illegal activities, don't they have a responsibility to report that? Is that not the same thing as a GeekSquad technician stumbling across child porn on a laptop they're fixing? Further, if Google doesn't want to knowingly facilitate, then they shouldn't know -- give me the ability to e2e encrypt my messages and stop reading my emails. Haven't they opened Pandora's box here by going that extra step further and data mining my email?

dahdum 9y ago
GeekSquad actively searches for it, so they would probably be in the clear under this law. Facebook knows many drug purchases are coordinated openly on college groups, even though their intent is not to facilitate them, by not searching out and reporting them they would be liable once this law is naturally expanded upon.
- davvolun 9y ago
  > Facebook knows many drug purchases are coordinated openly on college groups How does Facebook know this, if they still have to search them out? > ...once this law is naturally expanded upon. Yeah, I can see that. Slippery slope and all that. On the other hand, I feel like e.g. Facebook needs to have an incentive to police their community. I, at least, don't see a clear path to prevent Cambridge Analytica-style abuses, not through legislative changes, not in this political environment...
CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
> Is that not...good? If Google is reading my emails to sell me stuff (and I've given them permission to do so by using their service), and sees (reasonable) evidence I'm engaged in illegal activities, don't they have a responsibility to report that? Is that not the same thing as a GeekSquad technician stumbling across child porn on a laptop they're fixing? No, it's not good. Any internet service provider that reaches mass adoption faces a dilemma: - Face legal problems - Become another arm for law enforcement (and maybe even bypass the 4th Amendment) The prison industrial complex grows fatter.
- adventured 9y ago
  The government & corporate prison complex has been declining for about a decade now. It has been rolled back about 20 years. It's not growing fatter: https://i.imgur.com/ppyHKC4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ppyHKC4.jpg By the time pot legalization gets to over half the states (in the next 10-15 years), we should have the incarceration machine rolled back to the mid 1980s, just six or seven years after the mass incarceration boom took off.
tomc1985 9y ago
Do you really want every brother and their mother with your data to have the ability to ruin your life like that?
- davvolun 9y ago
  Maybe I'm not being clear... In the absence of clear, well-considered privacy laws (which I'm not the least bit hopeful for, particularly internationally consistent..), Google will have access to this data. As a randomly chosen user, there's probably nothing I can do about this (assumption being the average random user can't figure out how to enable e2e encryption). So Google will be data mining my data, if they choose to. And note I'm only choosing Google here because the user I replied to used Gmail as an example, I don't think Google is particularly unique or special in regards to using their user's data for profit. Under those assumptions, if Google finds something illegal, they should say something, right? There are a number of "outs" here. Privacy laws, Google giving me the ability to opt out/encrypt my data, ... Do I want this? Hard no, but that's really not my point.

dahdum 9y ago

GeekSquad actively searches for it, so they would probably be in the clear under this law. Facebook knows many drug purchases are coordinated openly on college groups, even though their intent is not to facilitate them, by not searching out and reporting them they would be liable once this law is naturally expanded upon.

davvolun 9y ago
> Facebook knows many drug purchases are coordinated openly on college groups How does Facebook know this, if they still have to search them out? > ...once this law is naturally expanded upon. Yeah, I can see that. Slippery slope and all that. On the other hand, I feel like e.g. Facebook needs to have an incentive to police their community. I, at least, don't see a clear path to prevent Cambridge Analytica-style abuses, not through legislative changes, not in this political environment...

CiPHPerCoder 9y ago

> Is that not...good? If Google is reading my emails to sell me stuff (and I've given them permission to do so by using their service), and sees (reasonable) evidence I'm engaged in illegal activities, don't they have a responsibility to report that? Is that not the same thing as a GeekSquad technician stumbling across child porn on a laptop they're fixing? No, it's not good. Any internet service provider that reaches mass adoption faces a dilemma: - Face legal problems - Become another arm for law enforcement (and maybe even bypass the 4th Amendment) The prison industrial complex grows fatter.

adventured 9y ago
The government & corporate prison complex has been declining for about a decade now. It has been rolled back about 20 years. It's not growing fatter: https://i.imgur.com/ppyHKC4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ppyHKC4.jpg By the time pot legalization gets to over half the states (in the next 10-15 years), we should have the incarceration machine rolled back to the mid 1980s, just six or seven years after the mass incarceration boom took off.

tomc1985 9y ago

Do you really want every brother and their mother with your data to have the ability to ruin your life like that?

davvolun 9y ago
Maybe I'm not being clear... In the absence of clear, well-considered privacy laws (which I'm not the least bit hopeful for, particularly internationally consistent..), Google will have access to this data. As a randomly chosen user, there's probably nothing I can do about this (assumption being the average random user can't figure out how to enable e2e encryption). So Google will be data mining my data, if they choose to. And note I'm only choosing Google here because the user I replied to used Gmail as an example, I don't think Google is particularly unique or special in regards to using their user's data for profit. Under those assumptions, if Google finds something illegal, they should say something, right? There are a number of "outs" here. Privacy laws, Google giving me the ability to opt out/encrypt my data, ... Do I want this? Hard no, but that's really not my point.