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> That's why countries where gun are banned for general population, does not have mass murder by "common people" like USA Sorry, but this is completely false.

> That's why countries where gun are banned for general population, does not have mass murder by "common people" like USA Sorry, but this is completely false. I am not going to link to it for reasons of taste, but you can google "encyclopedia dramatica high score" for a very thorough run down on mass shootings. They occur globally and are by no means a phenomenon isolated to the US.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
But when you compare USA to UK or Australia - both of whom banned most gun ownership following mass shootings - you see that USA far outstrips others who have addressed the situation with gun controls. Compare the USA situation to countries at war or with armed insurgencies and, of course, it might seem even tame. If you aspire only to give your citizens the security of a corrupt developing world dictatorship then this comparison is probably useful.
enraged_camel 9y ago
They occur, but far less frequently.
- saas_co_de 9y ago
  That is correct but the parent claimed they did not occur at all, which is false.
  - enraged_camel 9y ago
    >>the parent claimed they did not occur at all I read the parent comment again and I don't see the phrase "at all" in there, so the clear implication (at least to me) is that they meant mass murders by gun happen far less often.
FRex 9y ago
First of all, ED seems overly focused on USA/West/China, it doesn't list several arson (I assume that's what Fire Emblem means) and stabbing events (Hack'n'Slash) I personally know of. Next, I'm assuming that by "mass shootings" you mean the FPS, Single Player category on there (since the only other FPS aka shootings category is Co-op Mode which seems to be almost exclusively terrorism and gangs, not "common people"). Here is the raw data: https://pastebin.com/rfHy5KUu https://pastebin.com/rfHy5KUu Here is the aggregate by country: https://pastebin.com/NPi3kELY https://pastebin.com/NPi3kELY USA has 'only' 4.3% of global population but 17 out of 50 top ED loner shootings and one third of deaths and almost half of injuries. If that's not a phenomenon then I guess nothing is.
- lettergram 9y ago
  That's because we allow our citizens to have guns, which by default heavily skew the stats... Perhaps I should just publish some results. Seriously, every time I debate a data scientist I just send them to the data. Heat correlates more with mass murder than anything... Like I don't really get it.
  - FRex 9y ago
    The comment I replied to quoted those stats and said that mass shootings (not murders, shootings specifically) aren't a US specific phenomenon nor linked to gun availability. While of course no country can ever be mass shootings free and immune to them since a determined person (ISIS, Breivik, etc.) can always get a gun eventually I was just pointing out that based on the cited stats USA is standing out with regards to frequency (even compared to much more populous China, India, EU+UK+Norway, etc.) so there is some US specific phenomenon related to mass shootings (for whatever reason, gun availability, society, heat, magic, that's beside the point I was making).
birksherty 9y ago
Mass shootings by general population, not terrorists or gangs. I would actually like a stat on that.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

But when you compare USA to UK or Australia - both of whom banned most gun ownership following mass shootings - you see that USA far outstrips others who have addressed the situation with gun controls. Compare the USA situation to countries at war or with armed insurgencies and, of course, it might seem even tame. If you aspire only to give your citizens the security of a corrupt developing world dictatorship then this comparison is probably useful.

enraged_camel 9y ago

They occur, but far less frequently.

saas_co_de 9y ago
That is correct but the parent claimed they did not occur at all, which is false.
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  >>the parent claimed they did not occur at all I read the parent comment again and I don't see the phrase "at all" in there, so the clear implication (at least to me) is that they meant mass murders by gun happen far less often.

FRex 9y ago

First of all, ED seems overly focused on USA/West/China, it doesn't list several arson (I assume that's what Fire Emblem means) and stabbing events (Hack'n'Slash) I personally know of. Next, I'm assuming that by "mass shootings" you mean the FPS, Single Player category on there (since the only other FPS aka shootings category is Co-op Mode which seems to be almost exclusively terrorism and gangs, not "common people"). Here is the raw data: https://pastebin.com/rfHy5KUu https://pastebin.com/rfHy5KUu Here is the aggregate by country: https://pastebin.com/NPi3kELY https://pastebin.com/NPi3kELY USA has 'only' 4.3% of global population but 17 out of 50 top ED loner shootings and one third of deaths and almost half of injuries. If that's not a phenomenon then I guess nothing is.

lettergram 9y ago
That's because we allow our citizens to have guns, which by default heavily skew the stats... Perhaps I should just publish some results. Seriously, every time I debate a data scientist I just send them to the data. Heat correlates more with mass murder than anything... Like I don't really get it.
- FRex 9y ago
  The comment I replied to quoted those stats and said that mass shootings (not murders, shootings specifically) aren't a US specific phenomenon nor linked to gun availability. While of course no country can ever be mass shootings free and immune to them since a determined person (ISIS, Breivik, etc.) can always get a gun eventually I was just pointing out that based on the cited stats USA is standing out with regards to frequency (even compared to much more populous China, India, EU+UK+Norway, etc.) so there is some US specific phenomenon related to mass shootings (for whatever reason, gun availability, society, heat, magic, that's beside the point I was making).

birksherty 9y ago

Mass shootings by general population, not terrorists or gangs. I would actually like a stat on that.