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Yeah. Their motto seems to be 'easier to ask forgiveness/pay fines instead of asking for permission'.
by reddit_clone 9y ago
Yeah. Their motto seems to be 'easier to ask forgiveness/pay fines instead of asking for permission'.
- artursapek 9y agoWhat do you guys think Uber stands to gain from intentionally programming their cars to run red lights?
- Mikeb85 9y agoI don't think anyone thinks it's intentional, just that they're a poorly run company and have been less diligent in fixing bugs and ensuring safety.
- stochastic_monk 9y agoThey stand to gain by being quicker to market by failing to instantiate adequate safeguards. Criminal negligence, not direct malicious criminality.
- gt_ 9y agoNot a bad business plan. The market rewards risk. I’ll use Uber as an example.
- stochastic_monk 9y agoThis is why unregulated growth makes cancer the perfect metaphor for corporations.
- taoistextremist 9y agoNobody is suggesting they're doing that. They're saying Uber cuts corners to save a dime among other unethical practices (like stealing research from competitors).
- sitkack 9y agoUber is embodiment of its employees. It is a flame that the unethical moths are drawn to, so they can realize their vision by the means that delight them. Uber is the Phoenix of Enron.
- pretentiousPear 9y agoNo one said that this was their intention.
- moscovium 9y agoNot intentionally programming them to run red lights, just intentionally or unintentionally not taking necessary precautions to prevent it from happening. They can get it right, or have it right now, and it's pretty clear which side they've chosen.
- citizenkeen 9y agoI think it's more what Uber stands to gain from not ensuring that their cars are programmed to not run red lights. Which is first-to-market advantage.
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- netsharc 9y agoNot intentionally doing that, but, intentionally ignoring bugs. "Sir, we have several bugs, one of them would cause the car to run a red in the following conditions... [fictional made-up condition: in case it sees a clown car with Brad Pitt wearing a pink dress in it]". "What are the chances of that ever happening? Ship it!".
- dpwm 9y agoI somewhat doubt they even know or care that there might be bugs before they do something awful. It's like they're using the public highway as their simulator. I don't know if this job ad for a self-driving simulation software engineer is still current, but it is somewhat worrying given the broad scope of the role they appear to be advertising for. [0] https://www.uber.com/en-US/careers/list/27029/ https://www.uber.com/en-US/careers/list/27029/
- throwawaysecops 9y agoFuck you and your leading question.
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- Mononokay 9y agoThe art of being cheap and the virtue of being lazy oft end with someone getting hurt, and Uber embodies both of those quite well.
- cgag 9y agoWhich I'm thankful for since I now have access to taxis because of them.
- heartbreak 9y agoThis comment is in spectacularly poor taste given the subject of this news story.
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- TAForObvReasons 9y agoIrrespective of the ethics, the plan "worked" in that they managed to pressure local governments to change rules or otherwise let Uber operate
- dangerlibrary 9y agoThey did manage to get some local governments to do that, yes. I’m not sure how to interpret your comment other than as an apology/excuse for their illegal and unethical behavior. If there’s more to your thought than “the ends justify the means,” I’m curious what it is.
- TAForObvReasons 9y agoUber has been rewarded for employing schticks that GP called "unethical and poorly-run." Is it unethical? Yes, and I strongly believe that "Move fast and break things" is wholly inappropriate when people's lives are involved. Is it poorly-run? I think Uber is actually well-run if you accept that "ends justify the means" is in their DNA.
- dangerlibrary 9y agoWhat would compel me to accept that an ethical standard that can be used to justify any amount of immoral and unethical behavior is “in a company’s DNA?” Why would I grade them on that curve? This is like saying the Duterte is a very effective anti-drug crusader if you accept that murdering innocents and drug dealers is in his DNA.
- agumonkey 9y agocomma ai must be so jealous
- catnaroek 9y agoIt's no less immoral in programming languages than in real life, precisely because it tends to slip from the former into the latter.
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