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Right. They basically just made an app on FB then had users accept the permissions. The horribly beautiful thing about FB permissions is that almost every singl

Right. They basically just made an app on FB then had users accept the permissions. The horribly beautiful thing about FB permissions is that almost every single app will request EVERYTHING, and if you deny even a single permission that the app doesn't even seem to need, then the app will break or won't let you use it. So every user is indoctrinated into just clicking accept regardless of the supposed "granular" permissions. They are granular as in granulated sand, falls right through your fingers.

hashkb 9y ago
It's not a secret that FB's business is profiting off your personal data. You could choose to stop using it.
- samschooler 9y ago
  However in this situation we are talking about 3rd parties having an all or nothing policy on your data. If you don’t let some apps you login with Facebook have access to everything you can’t use their app.
- Erlangolem 9y ago
  ...and have everyone else who knows you stop, and block their widgets and buttons that track you, and block any org that might leak, sell, or just share some of your info with them. I can’t stop a friend or just some rando at a party from uploading a photo of me. I can’t stop friends from using FB and getting me into their system. In 2018, privacy isn’t just about what we choose to do.
  - hashkb 9y ago
    I agree. But you should take that first step, and then start lobbying your friends to stop posting pictures of you. Personally, I also excuse myself at gatherings when the cameras come out, because I know it's all going straight to FB. The shaming has already started to decrease; now I'm usually not alone in popping out of the room.
    - lettergram 9y ago
      I instead, always asked everyone be tagged as someone else. Typically, people are relatively okay with this because no one notices. It totally breaks the CNNs for face detection.
      - Erlangolem 9y ago
        Smart, I think I’d have more success trying this than just leaving the situation entirely. This is going to be a lot easier to pull off with non tech oriented friends than a speech about privacy and why I have to leave the room.
      - tokai 9y ago
        That is a great idea. Personally I have tried to serve bad data to google captchas for many years. The text capthas were really easy, but the newer image captchas are much more obstinate. Or maybe my shadow profile just got tagged as an unreliable captcha form-filler.
      - loxias 9y ago
        This is a great idea, thanks! I've been asking not to be tagged, but this is better. I worry that "not tagging" is somehow adding sparse data which can later on be filled in.
  - TallGuyShort 9y ago
    I would be seriously impressed and surprised if they managed to get any information based on photos uploaded that happened to include people who weren't tagged and weren't on Facebook. Aside from the all-or-nothing nature of specific apps, privacy is more about what you choose to do than that - most people just choose to not do much for privacy. At least as far as most private corporations using the Internet goes.
    - toss892625 9y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16474938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16474938 https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-figures-out-everyone-youve-ever-met-1819822691 https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-figures-out-everyone-youve-... The fact that 90% of your friends upload contacts/emails is plenty of information about you.
yeldarb 9y ago
As of 4 years ago every app needs to be whitelisted by Facebook for every permission they want to request: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/facebook-login/review/what-is-login-review https://developers.facebook.com/docs/facebook-login/review/w...
- tobilg 9y ago
  This wasn’t the case for Graph API v1.0, which I‘d suspect was used to gather the data. It was active until 2015...
- disgruntledphd2 9y ago
  And you can remove individual ones! It was actually far better than the Android model at the time. Many apps didn't get updated to work with the new API though (most hilariously, the NYT refused to let me create an account without my friend list in early 2015).

hashkb 9y ago

It's not a secret that FB's business is profiting off your personal data. You could choose to stop using it.

samschooler 9y ago
However in this situation we are talking about 3rd parties having an all or nothing policy on your data. If you don’t let some apps you login with Facebook have access to everything you can’t use their app.
Erlangolem 9y ago
...and have everyone else who knows you stop, and block their widgets and buttons that track you, and block any org that might leak, sell, or just share some of your info with them. I can’t stop a friend or just some rando at a party from uploading a photo of me. I can’t stop friends from using FB and getting me into their system. In 2018, privacy isn’t just about what we choose to do.
- hashkb 9y ago
  I agree. But you should take that first step, and then start lobbying your friends to stop posting pictures of you. Personally, I also excuse myself at gatherings when the cameras come out, because I know it's all going straight to FB. The shaming has already started to decrease; now I'm usually not alone in popping out of the room.
  - lettergram 9y ago
    I instead, always asked everyone be tagged as someone else. Typically, people are relatively okay with this because no one notices. It totally breaks the CNNs for face detection.
    - Erlangolem 9y ago
      Smart, I think I’d have more success trying this than just leaving the situation entirely. This is going to be a lot easier to pull off with non tech oriented friends than a speech about privacy and why I have to leave the room.
    - tokai 9y ago
      That is a great idea. Personally I have tried to serve bad data to google captchas for many years. The text capthas were really easy, but the newer image captchas are much more obstinate. Or maybe my shadow profile just got tagged as an unreliable captcha form-filler.
    - loxias 9y ago
      This is a great idea, thanks! I've been asking not to be tagged, but this is better. I worry that "not tagging" is somehow adding sparse data which can later on be filled in.
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  I would be seriously impressed and surprised if they managed to get any information based on photos uploaded that happened to include people who weren't tagged and weren't on Facebook. Aside from the all-or-nothing nature of specific apps, privacy is more about what you choose to do than that - most people just choose to not do much for privacy. At least as far as most private corporations using the Internet goes.
  - toss892625 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16474938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16474938 https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-figures-out-everyone-youve-ever-met-1819822691 https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-figures-out-everyone-youve-... The fact that 90% of your friends upload contacts/emails is plenty of information about you.

yeldarb 9y ago

As of 4 years ago every app needs to be whitelisted by Facebook for every permission they want to request: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/facebook-login/review/what-is-login-review https://developers.facebook.com/docs/facebook-login/review/w...

tobilg 9y ago
This wasn’t the case for Graph API v1.0, which I‘d suspect was used to gather the data. It was active until 2015...
disgruntledphd2 9y ago
And you can remove individual ones! It was actually far better than the Android model at the time. Many apps didn't get updated to work with the new API though (most hilariously, the NYT refused to let me create an account without my friend list in early 2015).