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Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations? I don't
by muhfuhkuh 16y ago
Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations?
I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").
- oihuyjfrgtdfghj 16y agoYes it's all fixed in Win7 if you just want to roll over and let it force you to use IE and Bing and Hotmail for everything. As soon as you try not to use IE suddenly you can't do anything
- sandipagr 16y agoOnly time I ever used IE was to download Firefox when I first installed windows 7. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. My experiences haS been great.
- oihuyjfrgtdfghj 16y agoTry using Outlook web access, or windows genuine advantage or MSDN download in firefox
- shrikant 16y agoSo your grouse is ActiveX doesn't work in Firefox? Why not also complain that vendor specific -moz and -webkit prefixes don't work in IE? FWIW, Outlook Web Access works perfectly well (in "light mode") in Chrome and Firefox, and I can download from MSDN just fine.
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- RossM 16y agoOWA degrades to what I deem a much cleaner client than the version you get if you use IE. The OWA you get in IE7+ uses ActiveX or some sort of Windows-specific JavaScript trickery which is why they restrict it's access to a browser they know will be used on Windows. I don't really know what WGA is but have seen logos for it in the computer info dialog. I regularly download things from MSDNAA in Chrome, haven't tried the full MSDN portal.
- minouye 16y agoFWIW I downloaded an ISO from MSDN yesterday in Firefox and checked my Exchange email in Firefox with the IEtab add-on.
- winthrowe 16y agoIEtab doesn't count. You're just framing the IE rendering engine in firefox chrome.
- jodrellblank 16y ago"Exchange 2010 adds some important changes for non-Internet Explorer browsers by officially and fully supporting both Firefox and Safari with its Premium version of the Outlook Web Access client."
- carussell 16y agoOnly time I ever used IE was to download Firefox Next time use ftp.
- carussell 16y agoUh, all right? How dickish of me to suggest a way to forego using an application he or she doesn't like for even the one time that person feels he or she must.
- loumf 16y agoHere's Eric Raymond on Cups for a Unix perspective. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
- lurkinggrue 16y agoI got to this bit: > LaserJet 6MP attached to it via parallel port. That got me looking for the date this was written.
- wazoox 16y agoYes, cups and KDE came a long way, too.
- lkozma 16y agoHere's a reaction to it by Gruber: http://daringfireball.net/2004/04/spray_on_usability http://daringfireball.net/2004/04/spray_on_usability
- ZeroGravitas 16y agoWhich is ironic as Mac OS X printing was terrible until they adopted CUPS and sprayed on some usability.
- bmelton 16y agoWindows 7 is pretty good actually, on its own. It's especially good if you compare it to any previous version of Windows (though I confess to having had good luck out of Win2k Pro.) I see a comment elsewhere stating that it's good if you let it pigeonhole you into using IE and Bing, but that's nonsense. I'm using Chrome and Duck Duck Go and all sorts of non-Microsoftian stuff, and everything works just fine on the rather non-standard setup that I have.
- cmelbye 16y agoOur schools ran Windows 2000 Professional for years. Solid as a rock.
- flatline 16y agoI still think fondly of Win2k, it was fast and stable, but it was also the source of most of the publicity about Microsoft's security practices. There were a slew of critical updates till around 2004 when things started to settle down. From what I can tell, 10 years on, Windows 7 is the first noteworthy improvement.
- bmelton 16y agoUpvoted -- I wanted to say something to that effect in my previous rant, except that I was a late adopter to Win2k, and all the pain I remember hearing about was pre-SP2 (which I didn't join until after). Regardless, I fondly remember Windows 2000, though I also remember it as a MUCH more spartan system than 7 is, and 7 easily trounces it, in my humble opinion.
- jsz0 16y agoMicrosoft has gone a long way to address their first party problems but as soon as you choose to install a third party Windows application all bets are off. Most Windows apps still lack a way to automatically update themselves. They still pollute the start menu and add/remove programs menu. Application installs still take too long.
- CWuestefeld 16y agoI'm a Windows person, but I've got Ubuntu on a netbook. It took me a couple of hours to figure out how to get the repository for XBMC set up so that it would let me install the program. Now I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4, but I don't have quite enough space in the SSD to do it. I'd like to cut out some software that I don't really use on the netbook. But I can't figure out how to make it actually get rid of things that I uninstall. In particular, since installations are hierarchies of dependent packages, I can't see how to tell it "get rid of this and anything that it depends on, that isn't required by something else". So for now, I can't upgrade my Ubuntu installation. This sounds like your typical family member who can't get Windows to work right, doesn't it? I don't think that Linux has done anything better. They've done it different, and people who know the system can use it very effectively, but those of us who don't know the incantations are still out in the cold.
- mquander 16y agoFYI, I think "apt-get autoremove" will do what you want -- list packages which were installed automatically as a dependency and are no longer necessary. (I'm not sure how or if you can do the same thing with the package management GUI.)
- bad_user 16y agoBTW ... both "autoremove" and "dist-upgrade" made my system unusable a couple of times. There's no software repository as properly maintained as Debian's ... but normal users can totally trash their systems and that is not OK.
- mquander 16y agoI always assumed that it tended to work out for "normal" users -- that sucks if it doesn't. I tend to be the sort of person who "[thinks that] development versions, experimental and unstable are for old ladies" (HT to xorg-edgers.) I'm pretty sure that condemns me to a life of resolving weird incompatibilities. I definitely don't personally trust autoremove as far as I can chuck it. (edit: my experience is on Ubuntu, not Debian.)
- contextfree 16y agoAmusingly, the obnoxiously long paths he calls out in passing (Documents and Settings etc.) were changed in Vista (to something shorter and more vaguely reminiscent of the Unix structure) ... which caused a lot of grumbling, since people didn't know where to find things. One man's long-overdue fix is another's gratuitous arbitrary change.
- sprout 16y agoTo be fair, there were some pointless changes. Add/remove programs was changed to Programs and Features. I suppose it was a nod to the fact that you can't actually add or remove some programs through this dialogue, but generally the change can't really be more intuitive for anyone as the place to go to uninstall things.
- DougBTX 16y agoRe: Shutting down Windows 7, the process is now: mouse to the bottom left hand corner of the screen; mouse down; move mouse over shut down button; mouse up. About as few clicks as possible (including a Fitzz corner!), bested only by pressing the power button on the front of your PC - which I have mine set up to initiate shutdown directly.
- contextfree 16y agoOr: Windows key, right arrow key, enter.