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Automated filters on content sharing platforms kill creativity. Entire sports disappear from Youtube because they are traditionally accompanied by music. Think
by lowry 9y ago
Automated filters on content sharing platforms kill creativity. Entire sports disappear from Youtube because they are traditionally accompanied by music.
Think of ice skating. It's been years since I stopped uploading videos of ice skaters to Youtube, because they are automatically deleted based on music matching their filtering database. Others in my ice skating circle share videos on Amazon Prime Photos or similar platforms, never on Youtube.
- crtasm 9y agoIs this music a skater has picked to perform to or background music played by the venue?
- jdc0589 9y agoI doubt it matters.
- lowry 9y agoIt does not, but indeed I was referring to the music used in the skating programme.
- crtasm 9y agoSo if I understand correctly it's picked by the skater and integral to their performance made to an audience. Is it licenced for use at the event? I would prefer you didn't have such issues with sharing videos.
- lowry 9y agoAn ice skater programme does not use the music as is. The music is edited one way or another to fit the time allocated for the programme. Sometimes a skater uses two or more pieces of music mixed together. I do not know about the Olympics but I checked with the national ice skating federation, and there are apparently no special licensing fees for ice skating events. Ice rinks pay the usual fees for public performance, though.
- crtasm 9y agoAh - yes it's the public performance license fee that I was thinking of. Thanks for clarifying.
- Balgair 9y agoEvery ice skater chooses their music months beforehand. The music is timed to the routine and movements will emphasize beats in the music too. Some skaters will compose new music for their routine or work with artists to co-create a new musical/skating piece. I believe Carolina Costner of Italy has done this in the past (please check me on that though, google has nothing to say). Suffice to say, the music they choose may be copyrighted or long out of copyright (I'm looking at you Carmen). Skaters are never paid for competitions, thus they can play their music without worry at the events. Recently, music with words has now been allowed at competitions. Here is a brief over-view of music and ice skating: https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/965031866775437312 https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/965031866775437312
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- crtasm 9y agoIndeed - I wasn't clear if the videos mentioned were performances as you describe or footage of friends/family on a public rink. thanks for the extra info.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y agoIf a competitor wins a prize does that prize constitute income for tax purposes? I don’t mean in the specific case of ice skating but in the general professional performer / athlete sense.
- sseveran 9y agoI don't know if they still do but historically they had to pay. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/08/15/olympics-victory-tax-gold-medal/88587636/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/08...
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- AJ007 9y agoDespite being an early(ish) Bitcoin investor and believer I’ve been very cynical about ICOs and altcoins. My view has taken a pretty abrupt change in the past month. The internet can be successfully re-decentralized, and we have the means to do it. Between all of the scams and clueless developers, some will get it right. Unfortunately, for some, it means things like Uber, Airbnb, WhatsApp and others probably belong as protocols rather than commercial ventures that make SV and California so wealthy.
- est 9y agoThere should be laws that allow people to sue for damage if wrongfully taken down.
- ersii 9y agoYeah, of course more laws is the perfect solution. A law for a law, multiply and double.. two times over at least.
- CWuestefeld 9y agoThere are. AFAIK, it's never been applied.
- zdragnar 9y agoThe problem is probably calculating damages, or at least finding damages that outweigh the cost of taking legal action. Projected ad revenue share isn't worth the effort on its own for most people. Some might cry foul at this. As a thought experiment, I wonder if such cases are worth clogging up our court systems. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that violations of law ought to go without remediation... but purely from a pragmatic point of view, I'm not sure that the system is currently set up to handle lawsuits over this as a recourse.
- bambataa 9y agoOf course it’s not set up to handle this kind of thing, which is exactly why they do it. You may be legally in the right but have no real recourse.
- zdragnar 9y agoWhat alternatives might be available that simultaneously preserve due process for both the accusor and accused when potential damages are anywhere from zero to less than the costs of filing a lawsuit? In the US, I'm not sure if small claims courts would handle such a speculative case. We could set up extrajudicial processes via executive bureaucracy, but the end result is simply less transparent courts. I suppose we could compel businesses to manually validate takedown requests and the like... I am also imagining that would be ripe for abuse to the point it ends up being used antagonistically and ultimately drives down shared revenue for all participants to offset the cost.
- nradov 9y agoI don't see the problem. I occasionally upload dance performance videos with copyrighted music on Youtube. Then Youtube sends me a copyright notice and gives part of their ad revenue to the music owner. That seems fair.
- tcd 9y agoIt's not part. It's all. It's well known people can claim a video then get ALL the revenue, or disable it altogether. Also, don't get 3 strikes or you're fucked.
- mulmen 9y agoIf it works in baseball it works literally everywhere!
- bitL 9y agoI had fun when I uploaded my classical piano performance to YouTube and it got flagged as copyright infringement by some weird company. I was not sure if I should be upset or flattered :D
- gear54rus 9y agoMore like mad to the point of meltdown. Seriously though, when you copy and upload 'their' (in many cases the author is long dead, or in your case they even attacked the author) works of art it's "How dare you, you are single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of the fabric of society. You should be locked up forever, we lost over 1bn moneyz because of your video!!!!11" But when they store and sell your age gender and other personal data to other shitheads that want to sell you useless stuff you don't need it's all fine and dandy. This is why I will always endorse piracy at user's discretion as a way to harm stupid greedy corporations relying on a broken copyright law.
- nradov 9y agoNo it's part of the revenue, not all. Youtube (Alphabet) keeps some and the music copyright holder gets the rest.
- crpatino 9y agoDemand better filters then. That the filter do not work perfectly is no argument to stop filtering. Besides, how much did you pay YouTube for the priviledge of uploading content and receiving a revenue stream from the advertising generated by that content? How much to you pay the skaters for their awesome skills that bring you all that revenue? Yeah... I did not think so.
- tomaskafka 9y agoThis. Luckily someone torrented the olympic freeskating, so I could watch it with my kids.