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There are billion dollar industries out there doing their best to confuse you about this. Established wisdom out there hasn't really changed that much in the la

There are billion dollar industries out there doing their best to confuse you about this. Established wisdom out there hasn't really changed that much in the last few decades. Avoid processed sugars and oils and eat mostly (or entirely) plants.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
>Avoid processed sugars and oils and eat mostly (or entirely) plants. // I'll bet if you look at foods in a supermarket the main changes in ingredients will be more processed sugars and oils. This seems to happen in the UK when companies are taken over by USAmerican companies.
- cageface 9y ago
  Food has definitely gotten worse but the nutritional recommendations haven't really changed much.
  - cies 9y ago
    Is dairy still in? I think it used to be, but is on the way out in most places due to the mountain of evidence proving it makes us sick. Processed meat is since a few years on the carcinogens lists (next to asbestos and smoking). But strange enough still on the hospital menus (also consumed by cancer patients)! It takes a while I guess... Sadly.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      > carcinogens lists (next to asbestos and smoking). The quality of the evidence that processed red meat causes cancer is now as good as the evidence that smoking causes cancer. The strength of the effect is very very different. Smoking causes a lot of cancer. Red meat causes very little cancer. It's completely incorrect to suggest red meat is equivalent to smoking for cancer.
      - cies 9y ago
        > It's completely incorrect to suggest red meat is equivalent to smoking for cancer. Did I? Please read again. Just saying it's on the same list. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno... > Red meat causes very little cancer. Could you please quantify how little cancer? Prolly not. This is difficult stuff. We do not know dosages, etc. BTW, I was talking about "processed meat" (like hotdogs, bacon and nuggets), you now talk about red meat. Red meat is not on the cancer list (yet). If you down voted me, please reconsider. Because I'm right.
      - LinuxBender 9y ago
        There may be some tiny amount of truth to this. Red meats contain more L-Glutamine which is required for muscle growth. It is the most abundant amino acid in our body. That said, taking more of it will also feed tumors by increasing the production of HGH. An extreme example of this is performance athletes that take human growth hormone. Those with tumors meet their demise rather quickly because their body did not have time to terminate the cells, or could not keep up with the growth rate. This is of course an extreme example. Red meats only contain enough L-Glutamine to increase your HGH on a much smaller scale.
    - Tharkun 9y ago
      You can pry my cheese from my cold, dead hands. Most hardish cheeses are low in lactose and high in all kinds of good stuff. And fat.
Valmar 9y ago
> Established wisdom > eat mostly (or entirely) plants So, Veganism is "established wisdom". More like unproven dogma... A paleo diet is far more supportive of overall health. What that looks like for the individual is really down to them discovering what their body prefers, in terms of nutrients, carbs, fats and protein. A paleo diet can be mostly veges, mostly meat, and anywhere in between.
- cageface 9y ago
  A true paleo diet is mostly plant based anyway. Paleo man just didn't have access to three giant portions of meat a day. Only modern industrial agriculture has made that possible. The modern "paleo" diet loaded with animal fat and protein is a modern invention that serves mostly to help people rationalize their taste preferences.
  - cies 9y ago
    Yups. True paleo looked a lot more like the WFPB diet what it now widely and scientifically proven to be the best for human health.
  - Valmar 9y ago
    > A true paleo diet is mostly plant based anyway. Paleo man just didn't have access to three giant portions of meat a day. Only modern industrial agriculture has made that possible. Not true ~ there is no "true" paleo diet ~ it varies vastly from culture to culture. Look at the Eskimos ~ their traditional diet was mostly animal, high in nutrients, protein, fat, and sugar in the form of glycogen, and very little in the way of plants. Then in other tribal cultures, they may subsist mostly on plant foods. There's no One, True Diet. Veganism is actually rather unhealthy, because it excludes foods which contain highly bioavailable forms of nutrients not found in plant foods ~ Omega 3s, iron, etc. An animal-based diet isn't unhealthy ~ it can be the most nutritious of all. Organ meats are extremely nutritious. An animal-based diet isn't the problem ~ modern human societies run by greedy corporations and governments are, because they have created and supported the problems of animal abuse, because it is profitable. > The modern "paleo" diet loaded with animal fat and protein is a modern invention that serves mostly to help people rationalize their taste preferences. Bullshit. Paleo isn't all about fat and protein. That's keto. Paleo can be full of healthy carbs.
wincy 9y ago
Anecdotally, the best I’ve felt is eating only ribeyes and nothing else. 2 pounds for dinner and only water in the 23 hour interim. I’m apparently sensitive to a lot of vegetables that make me feel awful.
- redblacktree 9y ago
  As much as I love a ribeye and as amazing as that sounds, I bet it got pretty boring pretty quickly. Not to mention expensive.
- cageface 9y ago
  You will eventually get scurvy if you don’t get any vitamin C in your diet. I also hate to think what a zero fiber diet will do to your intestines.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

>Avoid processed sugars and oils and eat mostly (or entirely) plants. // I'll bet if you look at foods in a supermarket the main changes in ingredients will be more processed sugars and oils. This seems to happen in the UK when companies are taken over by USAmerican companies.

cageface 9y ago
Food has definitely gotten worse but the nutritional recommendations haven't really changed much.
- cies 9y ago
  Is dairy still in? I think it used to be, but is on the way out in most places due to the mountain of evidence proving it makes us sick. Processed meat is since a few years on the carcinogens lists (next to asbestos and smoking). But strange enough still on the hospital menus (also consumed by cancer patients)! It takes a while I guess... Sadly.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    > carcinogens lists (next to asbestos and smoking). The quality of the evidence that processed red meat causes cancer is now as good as the evidence that smoking causes cancer. The strength of the effect is very very different. Smoking causes a lot of cancer. Red meat causes very little cancer. It's completely incorrect to suggest red meat is equivalent to smoking for cancer.
    - cies 9y ago
      > It's completely incorrect to suggest red meat is equivalent to smoking for cancer. Did I? Please read again. Just saying it's on the same list. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno... > Red meat causes very little cancer. Could you please quantify how little cancer? Prolly not. This is difficult stuff. We do not know dosages, etc. BTW, I was talking about "processed meat" (like hotdogs, bacon and nuggets), you now talk about red meat. Red meat is not on the cancer list (yet). If you down voted me, please reconsider. Because I'm right.
    - LinuxBender 9y ago
      There may be some tiny amount of truth to this. Red meats contain more L-Glutamine which is required for muscle growth. It is the most abundant amino acid in our body. That said, taking more of it will also feed tumors by increasing the production of HGH. An extreme example of this is performance athletes that take human growth hormone. Those with tumors meet their demise rather quickly because their body did not have time to terminate the cells, or could not keep up with the growth rate. This is of course an extreme example. Red meats only contain enough L-Glutamine to increase your HGH on a much smaller scale.
  - Tharkun 9y ago
    You can pry my cheese from my cold, dead hands. Most hardish cheeses are low in lactose and high in all kinds of good stuff. And fat.

Valmar 9y ago

> Established wisdom > eat mostly (or entirely) plants So, Veganism is "established wisdom". More like unproven dogma... A paleo diet is far more supportive of overall health. What that looks like for the individual is really down to them discovering what their body prefers, in terms of nutrients, carbs, fats and protein. A paleo diet can be mostly veges, mostly meat, and anywhere in between.

cageface 9y ago
A true paleo diet is mostly plant based anyway. Paleo man just didn't have access to three giant portions of meat a day. Only modern industrial agriculture has made that possible. The modern "paleo" diet loaded with animal fat and protein is a modern invention that serves mostly to help people rationalize their taste preferences.
- cies 9y ago
  Yups. True paleo looked a lot more like the WFPB diet what it now widely and scientifically proven to be the best for human health.
- Valmar 9y ago
  > A true paleo diet is mostly plant based anyway. Paleo man just didn't have access to three giant portions of meat a day. Only modern industrial agriculture has made that possible. Not true ~ there is no "true" paleo diet ~ it varies vastly from culture to culture. Look at the Eskimos ~ their traditional diet was mostly animal, high in nutrients, protein, fat, and sugar in the form of glycogen, and very little in the way of plants. Then in other tribal cultures, they may subsist mostly on plant foods. There's no One, True Diet. Veganism is actually rather unhealthy, because it excludes foods which contain highly bioavailable forms of nutrients not found in plant foods ~ Omega 3s, iron, etc. An animal-based diet isn't unhealthy ~ it can be the most nutritious of all. Organ meats are extremely nutritious. An animal-based diet isn't the problem ~ modern human societies run by greedy corporations and governments are, because they have created and supported the problems of animal abuse, because it is profitable. > The modern "paleo" diet loaded with animal fat and protein is a modern invention that serves mostly to help people rationalize their taste preferences. Bullshit. Paleo isn't all about fat and protein. That's keto. Paleo can be full of healthy carbs.

wincy 9y ago

Anecdotally, the best I’ve felt is eating only ribeyes and nothing else. 2 pounds for dinner and only water in the 23 hour interim. I’m apparently sensitive to a lot of vegetables that make me feel awful.

redblacktree 9y ago
As much as I love a ribeye and as amazing as that sounds, I bet it got pretty boring pretty quickly. Not to mention expensive.
cageface 9y ago
You will eventually get scurvy if you don’t get any vitamin C in your diet. I also hate to think what a zero fiber diet will do to your intestines.