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Keybase is also an identity tool, and I see value in having proof of identity when making crypto transactions.

eropple 9y ago
That's great--but I don't care about what value you see when making cryptocurrency transactions. I care about the security and uptime of my services, which is why we started using Keybase in the first place. If they wanted to build some whateverthing that leverages Keybase for identity? Sure, go nuts, I think it's silly but it's not my time. But injecting it "into their apps"? No. These are tools for production, for me, and were developed with certain explicit and implicit promises. I see cryptocoin junk being shoved into production tools as a break of those promises.
- fiatjaf 9y ago
  Nobody said they'll be injecting anything in their apps, where did you read that? I know a bit about how Stellar works, and I can't imagine any kind of software they could "inject" in their apps besides perhaps a way to post a Stellar address into the current merkle-tree they host and a way to fetch that through an API. How is that worse than having a Bitcoin address optionally includable in the same way?
  - eropple 9y ago
    "All while integrating certain Stellar features directly into Keybase's apps." The rest of their announcement, I legit don't care about. This is the deal-breaker here. You don't need a Big Announcement or to hire more people to add a Stellar address for verification. I know a bit about Stellar as well (granted, you probably know more) but this reads to me as a let's-be-a-wallet game. And this is worse than having Bitcoin addresses: active functionality versus passive functionality. Difference of kind, yeah?
- lallysingh 9y ago
  I don't understand why you're upset (genuinely, I don't understand) about them adding new features. Are existing features reduced or worsened in some way I don't understand?
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  - bluecalm 9y ago
    Let's say you recommended Slack and your company started using it. Then Slack adds PornHub integration. Wouldn't you be upset? Would you say: "just don't use it"?
    - acct1771 9y ago
      Uh...yes? Do you have any idea how many integrations Slack has?
- tlrobinson 9y ago
  > That's great--but I don't care about what value you see when making cryptocurrency transactions. So... don't use it? I probably don't use 99% of the functionality in the software installed on my computer. It sounds like you just have an axe to grind with anything relating to cryptocurrency. AFAIK Keybase's clients are all open source. If this is a real problem someone (maybe you?) will fork them and remove the "cryptocoin crap".
- web007 9y ago
  So adding a distributed change/audit log - don't forget, that's all any blockchain really is - is the deal breaker and will cause you to fail audits or break production systems? How is it different from the GPG chain that is the Keybase changelog? What is it about this change that makes you assume you're going to have to deal with cryptomining et al?

That's great--but I don't care about what value you see when making cryptocurrency transactions. I care about the security and uptime of my services, which is why we started using Keybase in the first place. If they wanted to build some whateverthing that leverages Keybase for identity? Sure, go nuts, I think it's silly but it's not my time. But injecting it "into their apps"? No. These are tools for production, for me, and were developed with certain explicit and implicit promises. I see cryptocoin junk being shoved into production tools as a break of those promises.

fiatjaf 9y ago
Nobody said they'll be injecting anything in their apps, where did you read that? I know a bit about how Stellar works, and I can't imagine any kind of software they could "inject" in their apps besides perhaps a way to post a Stellar address into the current merkle-tree they host and a way to fetch that through an API. How is that worse than having a Bitcoin address optionally includable in the same way?
- eropple 9y ago
  "All while integrating certain Stellar features directly into Keybase's apps." The rest of their announcement, I legit don't care about. This is the deal-breaker here. You don't need a Big Announcement or to hire more people to add a Stellar address for verification. I know a bit about Stellar as well (granted, you probably know more) but this reads to me as a let's-be-a-wallet game. And this is worse than having Bitcoin addresses: active functionality versus passive functionality. Difference of kind, yeah?
lallysingh 9y ago
I don't understand why you're upset (genuinely, I don't understand) about them adding new features. Are existing features reduced or worsened in some way I don't understand?
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- bluecalm 9y ago
  Let's say you recommended Slack and your company started using it. Then Slack adds PornHub integration. Wouldn't you be upset? Would you say: "just don't use it"?
  - acct1771 9y ago
    Uh...yes? Do you have any idea how many integrations Slack has?
tlrobinson 9y ago
> That's great--but I don't care about what value you see when making cryptocurrency transactions. So... don't use it? I probably don't use 99% of the functionality in the software installed on my computer. It sounds like you just have an axe to grind with anything relating to cryptocurrency. AFAIK Keybase's clients are all open source. If this is a real problem someone (maybe you?) will fork them and remove the "cryptocoin crap".
web007 9y ago
So adding a distributed change/audit log - don't forget, that's all any blockchain really is - is the deal breaker and will cause you to fail audits or break production systems? How is it different from the GPG chain that is the Keybase changelog? What is it about this change that makes you assume you're going to have to deal with cryptomining et al?