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Ok, but to access a site published on Beaker you must use the Beaker browser, right?

lucideer 9y ago
If it's published on Hashbase, you can access it with any HTTP client (though this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p). Otherwise, you will need a dat:// client - Beaker is the main web browser with dat:// support, other clients sofar have more specialised uses, e.g. https://github.com/codeforscience/sciencefair https://github.com/codeforscience/sciencefair
- jondashkyle 9y ago
  > though this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p Not really. Need ways of bridging the gap.
  - lucideer 9y ago
    I guess what I meant was that using hashbase exclusively over http and not switching to using dat:// clients would be somewhat defying the point, but yeah, it's a good bridge.
    - jondashkyle 9y ago
      Yeah. This is where appropriating existing patterns like pay-walls becomes interesting. Instead of requiring registration and a fee, simply view in a p2p-enabled environment and help offset bandwidth costs. Of course there is more to it that that, but money not spent on infrastructure is money in the pockets of content creators and publishers.
- IamNotAtWork 9y ago
  Hashbase seems to function as one of the nodes in the DAT network, so even if none of the peers are online at least Hashbase is still there. That's what I gathered from a quick scan. The DAT network seems interesting and is new to me, but like you said, needing a central node to cache the data seems like breaking the p2p story.
  - lucideer 9y ago
    Hashbase is a convenience feature, bridging the gap, so to speak, between p2p and centralised systems. It's not required at all for dat:// to work. The main benefit is that users of http browsers can visit your dat:// site.
- tbv 9y ago
  > this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p Beaker/Hashbase dev here. Not quite, imo. The key difference is that a service like Hashbase has no special authorship priveleges (unlike Google Docs or Dropbox), and is instead an agnostic peer. We think that's an important distinction.
- amelius 9y ago
  Would it be possible to incorporate dat:// support into existing browsers as a plugin?
  - npongratz 9y ago
    Yes. Look for "Support for Decentralization Protocols": https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/01/26/extensions-firefox-59/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/01/26/extensions-firefo...
    - amelius 9y ago
      Cool. I wonder when we'll see an uprise in internet websites that reference dat:// Is there a first HN reference to a valid dat:// website already?
    - msangi 9y ago
      Note that it's still going to require extensions
  - deleted 9y ago
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If it's published on Hashbase, you can access it with any HTTP client (though this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p). Otherwise, you will need a dat:// client - Beaker is the main web browser with dat:// support, other clients sofar have more specialised uses, e.g. https://github.com/codeforscience/sciencefair https://github.com/codeforscience/sciencefair

jondashkyle 9y ago
> though this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p Not really. Need ways of bridging the gap.
- lucideer 9y ago
  I guess what I meant was that using hashbase exclusively over http and not switching to using dat:// clients would be somewhat defying the point, but yeah, it's a good bridge.
  - jondashkyle 9y ago
    Yeah. This is where appropriating existing patterns like pay-walls becomes interesting. Instead of requiring registration and a fee, simply view in a p2p-enabled environment and help offset bandwidth costs. Of course there is more to it that that, but money not spent on infrastructure is money in the pockets of content creators and publishers.
IamNotAtWork 9y ago
Hashbase seems to function as one of the nodes in the DAT network, so even if none of the peers are online at least Hashbase is still there. That's what I gathered from a quick scan. The DAT network seems interesting and is new to me, but like you said, needing a central node to cache the data seems like breaking the p2p story.
- lucideer 9y ago
  Hashbase is a convenience feature, bridging the gap, so to speak, between p2p and centralised systems. It's not required at all for dat:// to work. The main benefit is that users of http browsers can visit your dat:// site.
tbv 9y ago
> this of course somewhat defies the point of it being p2p Beaker/Hashbase dev here. Not quite, imo. The key difference is that a service like Hashbase has no special authorship priveleges (unlike Google Docs or Dropbox), and is instead an agnostic peer. We think that's an important distinction.
amelius 9y ago
Would it be possible to incorporate dat:// support into existing browsers as a plugin?
- npongratz 9y ago
  Yes. Look for "Support for Decentralization Protocols": https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/01/26/extensions-firefox-59/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/01/26/extensions-firefo...
  - amelius 9y ago
    Cool. I wonder when we'll see an uprise in internet websites that reference dat:// Is there a first HN reference to a valid dat:// website already?
  - msangi 9y ago
    Note that it's still going to require extensions
- deleted 9y ago
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