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Let's ask all the employment wage slaves how happy they are and then conclude that they do not become happier above 105k based on self report. What a joke. A

Let's ask all the employment wage slaves how happy they are and then conclude that they do not become happier above 105k based on self report. What a joke. A person making 500k or more or someone with high net worth is going to have a more full life (not needing to work, help community, help family)

CodeCube 9y ago
depends on how that person got to making 500k or more ... they could be working like crazy, and taken out tons of loans to give their family a fancy life, thus being miserable and stressed out (golden handcuffs) ;)
- monkeyfoop 9y ago
  It is true that massive debt could do that. However, it depends on what the debt is for. If the debt is for a huge mortgage owning a 10 unit apartment building, but you are making a couple hundred bucks a month in net profit... then you do not feel pressure as compared to someone who took out a 30k loan to build a swimming pool. These discussions about "income" are so skewed towards a certain type of income, namely wage income. The people conducting these studies have their own biases: justifying taking other people's wealth via forceful means such as taxes.
  - antisthenes 9y ago
    They're skewed towards wage income, because that's how the majority of people in this country make their living, so it's automatically more relevant. Just because 1-2% of people make their ends meet with their wealth working for them doesn't mean their presence requires them to be represented with equal weight in research. Not sure how this isn't self-evident to you. > The people conducting these studies have their own biases: justifying taking other people's wealth via forceful means such as taxes. Uh-huh. Taxes are theft, government is bad? Are you sure you're not the one with the biases?
    - monkeyfoop 9y ago
      I never said government is bad. But income tax is theft. If you do not pay our overseers, then you are at the wrong end of a gun or the otherwise of a steel cage.
      - chii 9y ago
        you can choose to denounce your citizenship and stop paying taxes. but your also need to leave the country, and live as a stateless Pirate. and any state enforced rules don't apply so you better arm yourself to the teeth and hide from any roaming military.
        monkeyfoop 9y ago
        There are countries that provide military and policing and do not take %50 of your income to redistribute to the self victimized. Your logical conclusion is non sequitor. The point is that it is theft. Whether they theif offers your "protection" for taking from you, is besides the point.
        CodeCube 9y ago
        Actually, I'm curious ... can you give me an example of a state who's tax policy you covet?
dgacmu 9y ago
You say this, but you offer no evidence to contradict the study, which is based on ... evidence that you're wrong. But think about it: A single person making $105k is just touching the top 10% of income earners in the US: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ Having spent some time in about that bracket in an average cost-of-living area (earned slightly more, but I'd spent the previous few years being a broke grad student), I can attest that it felt amazingly rich - there were few things I would have done with more money. My life satisfaction came from my job, my relationships, and my hobbies. There's a lot of evidence supporting the general conclusion that happiness is either logarithmic in income, or asymptotic after a point. Just blowing it off as "a joke" doesn't hold water. There's also considerable evidence that things like friendships, family, good relationships with neighbors, etc., are much more important contributors to happiness than income.
- monkeyfoop 9y ago
  You felt rich at 105k? We're talking about human happiness, the capacity for love, freedom, and self actualization. Happiness. We're not talking about buying overpriced liabilities such as fancy cars, furniture and clothes. I make over 150k and it's awful working 160 hours a month. Think about why this study is messed up: Wage earners spend the Best part of day typically indoors, taking orders from another person. Wage earners send their children to be taken care of by strangers. Wage earners send their kids to the zombie factory (public schools) The fact is that someone with a few million can: - take care of their own children/babies - educate their own children - take care of their aging parents - take care of sick relatives - can explore the world Don't tell me that having 2M in the bank will not make you, your family, and neighborhood FAR "happier" than someone making 300k in wage slavery. I can tell you for a FACT that making that much money (millions) will objectively lead to higher quality of life for people and their families. I'm personally working hard now to accumulate several investment properties and live free for life so that I can retire before 40 so that: - I can raise my kids - help parents, family, friends - explore world and learn - focus all my free time on healthy living - get best medical treatments You damn right it will make me happier to be able to do yoga 3 times a day, raising my kids and also building cool shit without Having to answer to a boss. You know it's true that lots of money makes you immeasurably more fulfilled. Don't listen to socialist lies that you only need some bullshit 105k (<75k after tax)

CodeCube 9y ago

depends on how that person got to making 500k or more ... they could be working like crazy, and taken out tons of loans to give their family a fancy life, thus being miserable and stressed out (golden handcuffs) ;)

monkeyfoop 9y ago
It is true that massive debt could do that. However, it depends on what the debt is for. If the debt is for a huge mortgage owning a 10 unit apartment building, but you are making a couple hundred bucks a month in net profit... then you do not feel pressure as compared to someone who took out a 30k loan to build a swimming pool. These discussions about "income" are so skewed towards a certain type of income, namely wage income. The people conducting these studies have their own biases: justifying taking other people's wealth via forceful means such as taxes.
- antisthenes 9y ago
  They're skewed towards wage income, because that's how the majority of people in this country make their living, so it's automatically more relevant. Just because 1-2% of people make their ends meet with their wealth working for them doesn't mean their presence requires them to be represented with equal weight in research. Not sure how this isn't self-evident to you. > The people conducting these studies have their own biases: justifying taking other people's wealth via forceful means such as taxes. Uh-huh. Taxes are theft, government is bad? Are you sure you're not the one with the biases?
  - monkeyfoop 9y ago
    I never said government is bad. But income tax is theft. If you do not pay our overseers, then you are at the wrong end of a gun or the otherwise of a steel cage.
    - chii 9y ago
      you can choose to denounce your citizenship and stop paying taxes. but your also need to leave the country, and live as a stateless Pirate. and any state enforced rules don't apply so you better arm yourself to the teeth and hide from any roaming military.
      - monkeyfoop 9y ago
        There are countries that provide military and policing and do not take %50 of your income to redistribute to the self victimized. Your logical conclusion is non sequitor. The point is that it is theft. Whether they theif offers your "protection" for taking from you, is besides the point.
        CodeCube 9y ago
        Actually, I'm curious ... can you give me an example of a state who's tax policy you covet?

dgacmu 9y ago

You say this, but you offer no evidence to contradict the study, which is based on ... evidence that you're wrong. But think about it: A single person making $105k is just touching the top 10% of income earners in the US: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ Having spent some time in about that bracket in an average cost-of-living area (earned slightly more, but I'd spent the previous few years being a broke grad student), I can attest that it felt amazingly rich - there were few things I would have done with more money. My life satisfaction came from my job, my relationships, and my hobbies. There's a lot of evidence supporting the general conclusion that happiness is either logarithmic in income, or asymptotic after a point. Just blowing it off as "a joke" doesn't hold water. There's also considerable evidence that things like friendships, family, good relationships with neighbors, etc., are much more important contributors to happiness than income.

monkeyfoop 9y ago
You felt rich at 105k? We're talking about human happiness, the capacity for love, freedom, and self actualization. Happiness. We're not talking about buying overpriced liabilities such as fancy cars, furniture and clothes. I make over 150k and it's awful working 160 hours a month. Think about why this study is messed up: Wage earners spend the Best part of day typically indoors, taking orders from another person. Wage earners send their children to be taken care of by strangers. Wage earners send their kids to the zombie factory (public schools) The fact is that someone with a few million can: - take care of their own children/babies - educate their own children - take care of their aging parents - take care of sick relatives - can explore the world Don't tell me that having 2M in the bank will not make you, your family, and neighborhood FAR "happier" than someone making 300k in wage slavery. I can tell you for a FACT that making that much money (millions) will objectively lead to higher quality of life for people and their families. I'm personally working hard now to accumulate several investment properties and live free for life so that I can retire before 40 so that: - I can raise my kids - help parents, family, friends - explore world and learn - focus all my free time on healthy living - get best medical treatments You damn right it will make me happier to be able to do yoga 3 times a day, raising my kids and also building cool shit without Having to answer to a boss. You know it's true that lots of money makes you immeasurably more fulfilled. Don't listen to socialist lies that you only need some bullshit 105k (<75k after tax)