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Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018
- rubbingalcohol 9y ago> This pairs up with AMD’s VESA GPU. Pretty sure they meant _Vega_, unless we're back in the 1980s.
- bitL 9y agoThey still should be VESA-compatible ;-)
- SmellTheGlove 9y agoNah, VLB is making a comeback. Safer to assume it's this: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vo-I4JcofN8/UJ6V0hBT2hI/AAAAAAAAADo/V2DB2gSJ46s/s1600/VESA.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vo-I4JcofN8/UJ6V0hBT2hI/AAAAAAAAAD...
- 0xcde4c3db 9y agoVESA is still around, and many modern graphics cards support multiple VESA standards (e.g. VESA BIOS Extensions, DisplayPort, EDID).
- all_blue_chucks 9y agoCall me with AMD launches something that supports extended ISA.
- the_grue 9y agoWhy would anyone call on you if they can just mail you the news?
- SmellyGeekBoy 9y agoI hear they even have electronic mail now.
- biggc 9y agoI'm excited for a NUC-like device running a Ryzen processor for my home media server.
- pythonaut_16 9y agoFrom what I've seen so far, none of the Ryzen APUs pack as much graphics power as the Vega-powered Kaby Lake Gs, which is disappointing. I was hoping for a Ryzen NUC that would be powerful enough to use as an HTPC and ultra-portable gaming machine, but it appears that won't be happening.
- chx 9y agoIt's immediately visible AMD have no serious plans in the 65-100W package TDP territory if it gave the Vega to Intel instead of launching such a chip itself. Who wants to guess this monster hybrid will only be available in Hades Canyon and some Apple machine and nowhere else?
- wmf 9y agoKaby Lake-G is probably also very expensive. Maybe someone will combine Ryzen with a discrete Vega Mobile and it will still be cheaper.
- zanny 9y agoA Ryzen "7" series APU with the same 4 core / 8 thread setup as the 2400G but with double the CUs (so 22 CU) and a big beefy L4 buffer like Intel uses in their high end GPUs to be able to use the extra gpu horsepower would be game changing. Maybe in the Navi generation? It would make for a very pretty lineup to have, say, Navi 10 / 14 / 24 be APUs, Navi 36 / 44 be a budget discrete GPU pair, have Navi 56 / 64 be shrunk Vega cards, and then some high end 2080 Ti competitor series of new cards called Navi 80 / 88[1]. If they can get power under control and have the TDPs like up like 45 / 65 / 95 / 120 / 150 / 170 / 200 / 210 / 250 watts they could have a really viable lineup no matter what Nvidia pulls... [1] Having a GPU called the 88 would just be marketing bliss. "When we get this thing up to 88 compute units you are going to see some serious shit".
- goldenkey 9y agoSome of these packages look absolutely beautiful. Being a hardware noob that has only worked with Arduino and Raspberry Pi, I'm used to having to buy all these overpriced accessories to fit into their boards. These mini mobos with integrated cooling fans and all the bells and whistles, look really awesome. Does anyone know how big the mini mobos actually are?
- loeg 9y agoThe first one is a standard, with a maximum size of 170mm x 170mm (6.7" x 6.7"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-ITX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-ITX The rest appear even smaller.
- goldenkey 9y agoWow, had no idea VIA made these boards. The pico and the mobile are awesome. [1] Are they considered "embedded" due to not being able to add memory or change very much by adding/removing components? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile-ITX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile-ITX
- chx 9y agoRather because the CPU is soldered.
- sofaofthedamned 9y agoVIA are still going? I have horrible memories of dealing with their kit 20 years ago when I did digital signage, as well as Geode chips which were even worse...
- kbenson 9y agoDepending on need and use, the Mini-ITX systems from Via are simple and reliable. I haven't used them much in the last 6-7 years, but at a previous business we used them with a flash card to ship OpenBSD firewalls to client offices for VPN connectivity. Problems were rare (and on-board AES acceleration a decade ago was pretty cool).
- NegativeLatency 9y agoI'm amazed at how many adds this page has. (Had to turn off my adblocker to get the page to load)
- jhasse 9y agoLoaded perfectly with Firefox and uBlock Origin for me.
- loeg 9y agoDitto Chrome and uBO.
- NegativeLatency 9y agoI use Safari and uBlock (not origin)
- lorenzhs 9y agoYeah uBlock non-origin is abandoned (there have been 4 commits in the last 2.5 years). It's also no longer available in the Safari Extension Gallery. There is a fork of uBlock origin for Safari: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari - I use Linux so I can't vouch for it, but gorhill (author of uBlock origin) links to it in the readme so it's semi-official.
- aplorbust 9y agoMaybe try something like this, if adblocker is failing 1. curl -o 1.htm http://www.electronicdesign.com/embedded-revolution/ryzen-boards-reign-embedded-world-2018 2. sed -i '/<p>/,/<\/p>/!d' 1.htm 3. firefox file:///1.htm
- thinkloop 9y agoWhat is the purpose of the sed?
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- walrus01 9y agothese are cool and all, but the very low quantities that embedded boards are made in frequently make them much more expensive than going with something of a standard size/spec (170x170mm mini-itx, of which there are a ton of good Z370 chipset motherboards), and a discrete GPU like a $115 geforce1050 2GB. Unless you really need four video outputs off one board. There's a really wide selection of sizes and shapes of mini-itx chassis available whether you need passive cooling, low profile height (no video card), low-profile height-only video cards, full height video cards, etc.
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- nottorp 9y agoThose seem to be 25+W CPUs, plus whatever the rest of the system needs. What's available these days that's x86_64 and is 15W or under, and comes on mini ITX boards? Slow is fine, as long as it's reliable.
- tyingq 9y agoThat's currently a gap for small boards. The ALIX boards have been the x86/32 bit answer for a while: https://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm https://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm I haven't seen a 64 bit solution that stayed relevant yet. Intel's Edison was the big contender, but has since died[1]. Gutting an ASUS Chromebox is a decent and cheap interim solution. They are well built, reliable, available, and cheap. Basically a subsidized Intel NUC. [1]https://hackaday.com/2017/06/19/intel-discontinues-joule-galileo-and-edison-product-lines/ https://hackaday.com/2017/06/19/intel-discontinues-joule-gal...
- derefr 9y agoSomething I've wondered: is there a way to buy a barebones PC (or even just a motherboard) with an Intel Core M processor installed? Presumed experience level: I'm willing to write an ACPI DSDT from scratch for it. :)
- wmf 9y agohttps://orwl.org/ https://orwl.org/ ?
- voltagex_ 9y agoI wonder if buying a laptop with a broken screen would work for this. Out of interest, why would you need to write a DSDT?
- yjftsjthsd-h 9y agoLaptop was my first thought as well; most of mine easily run under 20W even with a screen, and they're almost all x64.
- Const-me 9y agoMaybe it’s time for a next generation of game consoles?
- winslow 9y agoXbox one X and PS4 Pro were both recently released. What do you have in mind for next the gen console(s)?
- Const-me 9y agoBoth Xbox and PS are already using AMD-designed chips. Despite new versions are recently released, they both are still based on the previous generation AMD microarchitectures, i.e. Polaris GPU + Jaguar CPU. This new AMD chips combine new generation GPU (Vega) and new generation CPU (Ryzen). Both are much better than what’s in the current generation consoles.
- Grazester 9y agoWhat benefits does this bring to the consumer beside specs? Consumers dont care much for specs. If they did the Xbox One X would be flying off shelves.
- Const-me 9y agoExcellent point. Yeah, this could be the main reason why we won’t have Ryzen consoles anytime soon :-(
- MBCook 9y agoAnd can they hit a $300 price point after factoring in the price of the case, the hard drive, the optical drive, the power supply, and everything else? At the same physical size? And the same noise level?
- Const-me 9y agoLooks like these embedded chips are either equivalent or very close to the recently released Raven Ridge PC APUs, Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G. They are offered for $100 and $170, respectively. Not that expensive.
- staunch 9y ago> The module supports up to 32 GB of DDR4 memory with optional ECC support. One huge benefit of AMD vs Intel. While Intel is busy milking their customers, AMD is innovating to offer more for less.
- wefj82321a 9y agoNot even bothering given the length of the list of things uMatrix shows it's blocking
- aerovistae 9y agoAnyone care to explain what this is and why it's significant? Don't know much about hardware.
- kbart 9y agoIt's a very powerful "embedded" platform, I was waiting for something like this for my home media/file server, so I don't have to keep PC turned on all the time. Also, another important point for me is passive cooling, as buzzing of cooling fan drives me crazy during night.
- barronlroth 9y agoFor build-your-own servers or NUCs?
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