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In addition to security. Linux and BSDs were not as polished usability-wise as Windows NTs before early 2000s. Just my humble opinion.

mixmastamyk 9y ago
Still not. Just tried to schedule a disk check on reboot and had to scour a bunch of pages to find something that might work. No std msc or service manager gui available either. Some of these existed but were lost in a CADT.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  Sometimes finding it difficult to do something is an indication you might have a suboptimal work flow. You can get plenty of info about the health of the drive while the system is running. There isn't much reason to run a filesystem check unless something is wrong. Speaking of services it's extremely easy to query which services are running and enable and disable stuff. Plus there aren't 85 different things running. If you insist you can run something like https://github.com/mmstick/systemd-manager https://github.com/mmstick/systemd-manager
  - imtringued 9y ago
    Here is another gui: https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-systemdgenie/ https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-syste...
    - mixmastamyk 9y ago
      These look nice but the big problem is that they may not be compatible and maintained over the long term because they are not a std part of the desktop.
      - michaelmrose 9y ago
        Because they aren't needed. We can pretend that the intended user base is your cousin and your grandma if you want but the people that actually use Linux have no problem enabling and disabling services with the command line.
  - mixmastamyk 9y ago
    I’m well aware of the options. The drive isn’t the problem. This thread was about usability and I did happen to need a filesytem check. I’m not a fan of Microsoft biz practices but if you think Linux has nothing to learn from windows (especially on the desktop) you are mistaken.
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      Basically the optimal tool for offline maintenance is a live disk which will actually work if the drive is screwed up. Basically you were holding it wrong.
krylon 9y ago
When I first started using Linux (2000), the desktop was still rather clunky. Both KDE and Gnome were so immature I eventually settled on Windowmaker for a few years. OTOH, the Linux- / free Unix-desktop has come a long way since then. For my personal machines, I think GNU/Linux plus MATE makes for a much better desktop than Windows these days. (Admittedly, my taste might be slightly non-mainstream.)

mixmastamyk 9y ago

Still not. Just tried to schedule a disk check on reboot and had to scour a bunch of pages to find something that might work. No std msc or service manager gui available either. Some of these existed but were lost in a CADT.

michaelmrose 9y ago
Sometimes finding it difficult to do something is an indication you might have a suboptimal work flow. You can get plenty of info about the health of the drive while the system is running. There isn't much reason to run a filesystem check unless something is wrong. Speaking of services it's extremely easy to query which services are running and enable and disable stuff. Plus there aren't 85 different things running. If you insist you can run something like https://github.com/mmstick/systemd-manager https://github.com/mmstick/systemd-manager
- imtringued 9y ago
  Here is another gui: https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-systemdgenie/ https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-syste...
  - mixmastamyk 9y ago
    These look nice but the big problem is that they may not be compatible and maintained over the long term because they are not a std part of the desktop.
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      Because they aren't needed. We can pretend that the intended user base is your cousin and your grandma if you want but the people that actually use Linux have no problem enabling and disabling services with the command line.
- mixmastamyk 9y ago
  I’m well aware of the options. The drive isn’t the problem. This thread was about usability and I did happen to need a filesytem check. I’m not a fan of Microsoft biz practices but if you think Linux has nothing to learn from windows (especially on the desktop) you are mistaken.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Basically the optimal tool for offline maintenance is a live disk which will actually work if the drive is screwed up. Basically you were holding it wrong.

krylon 9y ago

When I first started using Linux (2000), the desktop was still rather clunky. Both KDE and Gnome were so immature I eventually settled on Windowmaker for a few years. OTOH, the Linux- / free Unix-desktop has come a long way since then. For my personal machines, I think GNU/Linux plus MATE makes for a much better desktop than Windows these days. (Admittedly, my taste might be slightly non-mainstream.)