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Japan- Shinzo Abe: 2012-current Singapore- Halimah Yacob: 2017-current Lee Hsien Loong: 2004-current South Korea- Moon Jae-in: 2017-current Lee

by chomp 9y ago

Japan- Shinzo Abe: 2012-current Singapore- Halimah Yacob: 2017-current Lee Hsien Loong: 2004-current South Korea- Moon Jae-in: 2017-current Lee Nak-yeon: 2017-current Taiwan Tsai_Ing-wen: 2016-current I'll maybe give you Singapore's PM, but this is definitely not "decades".

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Even Singapore's PM was given a popular mandate via parliamentary elections. Singapore and the PAP has some aspects of authoritarianism, but it still believes deeply in the rule of law.
- contingencies 9y ago
  I would encourage further self-directed historical research if you honestly believe this to be the case. Some starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33621862 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33621862 https://www.talkingdrugs.org/singapore-supports-burmas-drug-trafficking-operations https://www.talkingdrugs.org/singapore-supports-burmas-drug-... https://www.smh.com.au/news/business/singapore-a-friend-indeed-to-burma/2007/09/30/1191090945019.html https://www.smh.com.au/news/business/singapore-a-friend-inde... https://books.google.com/books?id=VQyX-pExxvMC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=real+history+pap+singapore&source=bl&ots=hJh2ea6ntN&sig=9AC6XNVZOHbrQjdPkY4Pgc60K8A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw8eTuy8HZAhWIk5QKHaauDlcQ6AEIkAEwCw#v=onepage&q=real%20history%20pap%20singapore&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VQyX-pExxvMC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA... https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle-for-democracy-in-singapore/ https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle... http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/339300 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/339300
EliRivers 9y ago
had the same rulers/ruling party for decades Alternatively (with apologies for playing a bit fast and loose in terms of President/Prime Minister/Secretary - political systems come in many shapes and sizes) and note that in some of these political party doesn't make much sense - when a military strongman stages a coup and holds power for a decade and a half, is there really a ruling political party? Japan- Liberal Democratic Party: 1955-1993, 1994-2009, 2012 to present Singapore- People's Action Party: 1959 to present Lee Kuan Yew: 1959 to 1990 Goh Chok Tong: 1990 to 2004 South Korea- Syngman Rhee: 1948 to 1960 (interestingly, exempted himself from an eight-year limit in 1954) Park Chung-hee: 1963 to 1979 (took power in military coup, assassinated) Taiwan- Chiang Kai-shek: 1950 to 1975 Kuomintang Party: 1950 to 1996, had the advantage of being a single-party state until roughly late eighties Definitely some decades in there.
- ajross 9y ago
  That's goalpost motion, though. By that standard the Chinese policy change in the headline is a total nothingburger because the communist party has been in power since the revolution and will continue to be after Xi is dead. Obviously, no: the headline is significant; east asian governments are subject to policy change and reform even within a single party rule; and this is a canard. There is a difference between indefinite rule by an abstract "party" and indefinite rule by an actual person. And China is crossing that gap.
  - EliRivers 9y ago
    That level of political discussion is beyond me. I'm just presenting some examples of East Asian countries that had the same ruler / ruling-party for decades.
  - chvid 9y ago
    What EliRivers described is exactly what I was referring to. And I don't think the "headline" is particular important btw.
  - tonylinn80 9y ago
    How is removing hard limit on two terms "crossing that gap"? It'd be a much greater leap if Xi wants to rule indefinitely. Xi (and the communist party) wants stability, and he has to answer to what the people want to keep staying in power
- tonylinn80 9y ago
  I've lived in China, Singapore, and US for a long time. And I have to say Singapore government is apparently the most reasonable one out of the three. It most likely also have highest approval rate.
chvid 9y ago
Lee Hsien Loong is LKY's son.
chickenfries 9y ago
Halimah Yacob is the President, not the Prime Minister, very different positions. Look up "Minister Mentor."

by chomp 9y ago

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Even Singapore's PM was given a popular mandate via parliamentary elections. Singapore and the PAP has some aspects of authoritarianism, but it still believes deeply in the rule of law.

contingencies 9y ago
I would encourage further self-directed historical research if you honestly believe this to be the case. Some starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33621862 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33621862 https://www.talkingdrugs.org/singapore-supports-burmas-drug-trafficking-operations https://www.talkingdrugs.org/singapore-supports-burmas-drug-... https://www.smh.com.au/news/business/singapore-a-friend-indeed-to-burma/2007/09/30/1191090945019.html https://www.smh.com.au/news/business/singapore-a-friend-inde... https://books.google.com/books?id=VQyX-pExxvMC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=real+history+pap+singapore&source=bl&ots=hJh2ea6ntN&sig=9AC6XNVZOHbrQjdPkY4Pgc60K8A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw8eTuy8HZAhWIk5QKHaauDlcQ6AEIkAEwCw#v=onepage&q=real%20history%20pap%20singapore&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VQyX-pExxvMC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA... https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle-for-democracy-in-singapore/ https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle... http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/339300 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/339300

EliRivers 9y ago

had the same rulers/ruling party for decades Alternatively (with apologies for playing a bit fast and loose in terms of President/Prime Minister/Secretary - political systems come in many shapes and sizes) and note that in some of these political party doesn't make much sense - when a military strongman stages a coup and holds power for a decade and a half, is there really a ruling political party? Japan- Liberal Democratic Party: 1955-1993, 1994-2009, 2012 to present Singapore- People's Action Party: 1959 to present Lee Kuan Yew: 1959 to 1990 Goh Chok Tong: 1990 to 2004 South Korea- Syngman Rhee: 1948 to 1960 (interestingly, exempted himself from an eight-year limit in 1954) Park Chung-hee: 1963 to 1979 (took power in military coup, assassinated) Taiwan- Chiang Kai-shek: 1950 to 1975 Kuomintang Party: 1950 to 1996, had the advantage of being a single-party state until roughly late eighties Definitely some decades in there.

ajross 9y ago
That's goalpost motion, though. By that standard the Chinese policy change in the headline is a total nothingburger because the communist party has been in power since the revolution and will continue to be after Xi is dead. Obviously, no: the headline is significant; east asian governments are subject to policy change and reform even within a single party rule; and this is a canard. There is a difference between indefinite rule by an abstract "party" and indefinite rule by an actual person. And China is crossing that gap.
- EliRivers 9y ago
  That level of political discussion is beyond me. I'm just presenting some examples of East Asian countries that had the same ruler / ruling-party for decades.
- chvid 9y ago
  What EliRivers described is exactly what I was referring to. And I don't think the "headline" is particular important btw.
- tonylinn80 9y ago
  How is removing hard limit on two terms "crossing that gap"? It'd be a much greater leap if Xi wants to rule indefinitely. Xi (and the communist party) wants stability, and he has to answer to what the people want to keep staying in power
tonylinn80 9y ago
I've lived in China, Singapore, and US for a long time. And I have to say Singapore government is apparently the most reasonable one out of the three. It most likely also have highest approval rate.

chvid 9y ago

Lee Hsien Loong is LKY's son.

chickenfries 9y ago

Halimah Yacob is the President, not the Prime Minister, very different positions. Look up "Minister Mentor."