4 ms·

> American high school graduate Do you understand how abysmal your people's mathematics skills in comparison to average Asian countries? SAT math is like 7-9th

> American high school graduate Do you understand how abysmal your people's mathematics skills in comparison to average Asian countries? SAT math is like 7-9th graders' homework, definitely not high school level in Asia.

AlphaSite 9y ago
SAT is not hard be design, this is true in general for tests of mathematical aptitude.
adventured 9y ago
Your claim about average Asian countries isn't supported by the actual results. Asia is extraordinarily poor at the median and average, under-developed, and with low educational attainment. There are a billion people in Asia without access to proper sanitation, who have less than the equivalent of a 5th grade US education. It's simply unfair to compare most of Asia to the developed world. If they're so great, where are the results of that? The reality is, the elite math outcomes of Asia are superior to that of the US, no question. The bottom 50% of Asia barely has any formal education at all. Their extremely low economic development matches their extremely low educational development. According to UNESCO, 35% of all the world's people that are illiterate are in India. That makes it practically impossible to do comprehensive, fair comparisons with developed nations. GDP per capita: Myanmar - $1,272; 2% of the US Cambodia - $1,389; 2.3% of the US Bangladesh - $1,523; 2.5% of the US India - $1,900; 3.1% of the US Vietnam - $2,306; 3.8% of the US Laos - $2,567; 4.2% of the US Philippines - $3,022; 5% of the US Mongolia - $3,500; 5.8% of the US Indonesia - $3,858; 6.4% of the US Sri Lanka, $3,905; 6.5% of the US Thailand - $6,366; 10.5% of the US Malaysia - $9,659; 16% of the US
- NTDF9 9y ago
  How many of the above countries were destroyed in imperialism, world wars and subsequent American wars? Look at China and India today. By not getting involved in any wars, they focused on their economies and got themselves out of it. India is only 70 years old as opposed to 250 of United States. They are behind because the British empire robbed them of their wealth. Asia is poor because of global circumstances, not because their education is worse than America. In the last two decades, we observe rapid rise in Asian countries and rapid decline in America. Part of the reason is American disinterest in competing by raising their kids well. Americans want to spend more on war than on research and education. Meanwhile, away from wars, Asian economies finally reflect the growth that their investment in education should be reflecting. Asian GDP per capita is also a flawed measure of anything. Life is cheaper there, production is higher quality (not higher quantity). Your use GDP as your ranking score is flawed at best.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    China, India and Pakistan have fought wars recently.
    - NTDF9 9y ago
      Yes, and none of those wars were at the scale of World Wars, Vietnam War, Middle Eastern Wars, War on Terror. Scale of war matters.
      - adventured 9y ago
        China's Communist conquest was a war of the scale of Vietnam. The Communist takeover of China involved several times more deaths than the entire Vietnam war. Ultimately tens of millions of people in China died in conflict and famine over three decades as Mao established control of the country. Neither world war had singular causes, they were diverse and complex, involving dozens of nations over long periods of time. That's particularly true of their origins. The Vietnam War wasn't started by either the US or European powers. It was a civil war, in which the Communist North was attempting to conquer the South, as North Korea attempted to conquer South Korea, and Communist China conquered the Republic of China. The Vietnam War also was not finished or continued by the US; after the Paris Peace Accords, and after the US left, the North predictably proceeded to continue its prior military conquest of the South. Middle Eastern wars haven't stopped for the last two thousand years. Who are you planning to blame that on? Who would be the non-guilty parties? China currently gets an immense amount of its oil from Middle East theocracies.
  - adventured 9y ago
    > How many of the above countries were destroyed in imperialism, world wars and subsequent American wars? Subsequant American wars - you're referring to how the US saved South Korea from being destroyed by the Communist north and equally impoverished? And how the US attempted to prevent a similar outcome for South Vietnam, as the North sought conquest of the South? Or maybe you're talking about how the US helped save China from the Empire of Japan, and then saved it again from being nuked by the USSR in 1969? And then developed it with trillions of dollars in capital, and helped to open up and liberalize their trade through political discourse. > Look at China and India today. By not getting involved in any wars Be sure to let Tibet know that China hasn't gotten involved in any wars, and Vietnam too. And let Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia all know how peaceful China is, as China annexes territory from them the size of Texas through military force. Taiwan of course has lived under decades of constant military threats from China, with China intent on annexing that nation entirely against its will. It'd be like if the US spent the last 60 years threatening to invade and annex Canada. China's protracted development backwardness in the late 20th century was caused by Mao's Communist policies. As those were abandoned and the Communist party liberalized its economic policies toward market systems and property ownership, China began to rapidly develop perfectly in line with that. > In the last two decades, we observe rapid rise in Asian countries and rapid decline in America That of course is not in fact demonstrated by the extraordinarily low economic development of the majority of Asia. Japan for one hasn't seen its economy net expand in 25 years; the US economy has nearly tripled in size in that time. The US has not declined in the last 20 years. The US is the richest it has ever been in its history. It has one rival globally, in China. It remains the sole military superpower. The USD remains by far the global reserve currency. Its median net wealth is higher than Sweden and Germany. Its median income is among the highest on earth, as is its median disposable income figure. Its average individual net wealth level is #2 or #3 on earth. Its economy has outpaced nearly all other developed economies, including in wage growth. It has separately outgrown Europe, Africa, Latin America, India and Japan over the last 20 years. In just the last 10 years, the US has added $4.5 trillion to its GDP. Now compare that to growth in Asia outside of China. That growth is equal to two economies the size of India.

AlphaSite 9y ago

SAT is not hard be design, this is true in general for tests of mathematical aptitude.

adventured 9y ago

Your claim about average Asian countries isn't supported by the actual results. Asia is extraordinarily poor at the median and average, under-developed, and with low educational attainment. There are a billion people in Asia without access to proper sanitation, who have less than the equivalent of a 5th grade US education. It's simply unfair to compare most of Asia to the developed world. If they're so great, where are the results of that? The reality is, the elite math outcomes of Asia are superior to that of the US, no question. The bottom 50% of Asia barely has any formal education at all. Their extremely low economic development matches their extremely low educational development. According to UNESCO, 35% of all the world's people that are illiterate are in India. That makes it practically impossible to do comprehensive, fair comparisons with developed nations. GDP per capita: Myanmar - $1,272; 2% of the US Cambodia - $1,389; 2.3% of the US Bangladesh - $1,523; 2.5% of the US India - $1,900; 3.1% of the US Vietnam - $2,306; 3.8% of the US Laos - $2,567; 4.2% of the US Philippines - $3,022; 5% of the US Mongolia - $3,500; 5.8% of the US Indonesia - $3,858; 6.4% of the US Sri Lanka, $3,905; 6.5% of the US Thailand - $6,366; 10.5% of the US Malaysia - $9,659; 16% of the US

NTDF9 9y ago
How many of the above countries were destroyed in imperialism, world wars and subsequent American wars? Look at China and India today. By not getting involved in any wars, they focused on their economies and got themselves out of it. India is only 70 years old as opposed to 250 of United States. They are behind because the British empire robbed them of their wealth. Asia is poor because of global circumstances, not because their education is worse than America. In the last two decades, we observe rapid rise in Asian countries and rapid decline in America. Part of the reason is American disinterest in competing by raising their kids well. Americans want to spend more on war than on research and education. Meanwhile, away from wars, Asian economies finally reflect the growth that their investment in education should be reflecting. Asian GDP per capita is also a flawed measure of anything. Life is cheaper there, production is higher quality (not higher quantity). Your use GDP as your ranking score is flawed at best.
- walshemj 9y ago
  China, India and Pakistan have fought wars recently.
  - NTDF9 9y ago
    Yes, and none of those wars were at the scale of World Wars, Vietnam War, Middle Eastern Wars, War on Terror. Scale of war matters.
    - adventured 9y ago
      China's Communist conquest was a war of the scale of Vietnam. The Communist takeover of China involved several times more deaths than the entire Vietnam war. Ultimately tens of millions of people in China died in conflict and famine over three decades as Mao established control of the country. Neither world war had singular causes, they were diverse and complex, involving dozens of nations over long periods of time. That's particularly true of their origins. The Vietnam War wasn't started by either the US or European powers. It was a civil war, in which the Communist North was attempting to conquer the South, as North Korea attempted to conquer South Korea, and Communist China conquered the Republic of China. The Vietnam War also was not finished or continued by the US; after the Paris Peace Accords, and after the US left, the North predictably proceeded to continue its prior military conquest of the South. Middle Eastern wars haven't stopped for the last two thousand years. Who are you planning to blame that on? Who would be the non-guilty parties? China currently gets an immense amount of its oil from Middle East theocracies.
- adventured 9y ago
  > How many of the above countries were destroyed in imperialism, world wars and subsequent American wars? Subsequant American wars - you're referring to how the US saved South Korea from being destroyed by the Communist north and equally impoverished? And how the US attempted to prevent a similar outcome for South Vietnam, as the North sought conquest of the South? Or maybe you're talking about how the US helped save China from the Empire of Japan, and then saved it again from being nuked by the USSR in 1969? And then developed it with trillions of dollars in capital, and helped to open up and liberalize their trade through political discourse. > Look at China and India today. By not getting involved in any wars Be sure to let Tibet know that China hasn't gotten involved in any wars, and Vietnam too. And let Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia all know how peaceful China is, as China annexes territory from them the size of Texas through military force. Taiwan of course has lived under decades of constant military threats from China, with China intent on annexing that nation entirely against its will. It'd be like if the US spent the last 60 years threatening to invade and annex Canada. China's protracted development backwardness in the late 20th century was caused by Mao's Communist policies. As those were abandoned and the Communist party liberalized its economic policies toward market systems and property ownership, China began to rapidly develop perfectly in line with that. > In the last two decades, we observe rapid rise in Asian countries and rapid decline in America That of course is not in fact demonstrated by the extraordinarily low economic development of the majority of Asia. Japan for one hasn't seen its economy net expand in 25 years; the US economy has nearly tripled in size in that time. The US has not declined in the last 20 years. The US is the richest it has ever been in its history. It has one rival globally, in China. It remains the sole military superpower. The USD remains by far the global reserve currency. Its median net wealth is higher than Sweden and Germany. Its median income is among the highest on earth, as is its median disposable income figure. Its average individual net wealth level is #2 or #3 on earth. Its economy has outpaced nearly all other developed economies, including in wage growth. It has separately outgrown Europe, Africa, Latin America, India and Japan over the last 20 years. In just the last 10 years, the US has added $4.5 trillion to its GDP. Now compare that to growth in Asia outside of China. That growth is equal to two economies the size of India.