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Methinks that if 70% of you population is affected, something is effecting them. It's not just "low will power" even if that explanation makes 30% of people sm

Methinks that if 70% of you population is affected, something is effecting them. It's not just "low will power" even if that explanation makes 30% of people smug.

NikolaeVarius 9y ago
Abundantly available extremely cheap food?
- a_humean 9y ago
  Abundantly available extremely cheap food of poor nutritional value and addictive over consumption encouraging qualities forcefully positioned by the market at the expense of other options.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  Regular exposure to high doses of xenoestrogens like BPA[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A
throwthisawayt 9y ago
Why can’t it be low willpower along with availability of instant cheap calorically rich unsatiating food? In the past even if you had low will power you didn’t have access to cheap 2000+ simple carb / sugar meals. Now we do.
- Avshalom 9y ago
  Because if it's 70% it's not "low willpower" it's "average plus a standard deviation will power"
  - throwthisawayt 9y ago
    Fair point !
whoisjuan 9y ago
Public policy, lack of education, overall culture and scale and dominance of food corporations. I'm not surprised with this data. The best example to understand this is to go to your nearest US convenience store. Price of an Arizona Iced Tea 23oz can = $0.99 Price of the average bottle of water 16 oz = $1.50 Any poorly educated individual wouldn't understand the health implications of gulping 70g of liquid sugar when the only available data points to make food decisions are price and flavor.
- bfred_it 9y ago
  That makes me wonder... what if non-luxury water was legally fixed to a set price per liter?
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  Do people really not understand that drinking 23oz of empty calories day after day will make you fat? People aren't really that ignorant, they make choices, often driven by short term desire. The corporations get this, but I feel like you are using poor as a synonym for stupid. We gotta stop treating poor people like they are dumb helpless animals, it gives them no agency.
  - whoisjuan 9y ago
    Dude. It's pretty easy to say that. You're educated and you definitely understand well the implications of sugar consumption. It's easy to imply this just because of your presence here. Someone uneducated will not understand this well. It's not about being stupid or being poor either. You don't hear people blaming their problems on sugar... I consume sugar products because they are delicious (dopamine release). However, I have the knowledge and education to make a conscious decision about moderation. I know how to read a food label. I know how to calculate the amount of sugar in a product. I know these things because I got access to education that allowed me to understand this. No fucking Iced Tea Can is telling you that. You know what is telling you? Price: 99 cents, Flavor: Great... There's your problem. It's not about being stupid. It's about not having enough data to understand the implications of those decisions. Uneducated people don't know about caloric guidelines or recommended processed sugar intake. The only mental filter for consumption of any edible product is its availability and personal flavor appeal.
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Avshalom 9y ago
Well there was also that time in the 90's when we redefined overweight/obese thereby inventing the obesity epidemic overnight.
Joeri 9y ago
It's the food. I've visited the U.S. several times, and every time I'm shocked by how hard it is to find affordable healthy food. Even so called "healthy" options like salads are often loaded with egg yolks, fatty dressings, bacon bits and all kinds of unhealthy ingredients. Portion size is also way off.
- justboxing 9y ago
  ... and salt, sugar and butter. I was surprised to learn that supermarket chicken and meat is routinely injected with salt water and other chemical in a process known as 'Plumping'.... Source: https://www.naturalnews.com/037153_food_industry_chicken_fillers.html https://www.naturalnews.com/037153_food_industry_chicken_fil...
  - peterwwillis 9y ago
    One of that article's sources is cracked.com. They're not really known for the strictest journalistic standards. Here's a USDA website describing conditions of meat in stores: https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/meat-preparation/water-in-meat-and-poultry/ct_index https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety...
- peterwwillis 9y ago
  I think portion size is the main issue with food quality being a very close second. Even if you "eat healthfully", if you eat too much food, you're still fat. I went to a restaurant the other night. I ordered chicken marsala. I ate my meal, and when I felt I was getting full I stopped eating. I had two meals worth of food left. Fat people want more food, so more restaurants put out bigger portions than is healthy. The same is true of prepared and pre-packaged foods. And with high-calorie, salt, fat and carb laden snack foods everywhere you look, you can keep eating all the time, everywhere you go. Find yourself in a place where they don't sell food? Don't worry, here's food made to take everywhere you go, so you can be constantly eating.
- nradov 9y ago
  There's nothing particularly unhealthy about a little bit of egg yolk, oil (dressing), or bacon. Added sugar in the dressing may be more problematic.

Methinks that if 70% of you population is affected, something is effecting them. It's not just "low will power" even if that explanation makes 30% of people smug.

NikolaeVarius 9y ago

Abundantly available extremely cheap food?

a_humean 9y ago
Abundantly available extremely cheap food of poor nutritional value and addictive over consumption encouraging qualities forcefully positioned by the market at the expense of other options.
TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
Regular exposure to high doses of xenoestrogens like BPA[1]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A

throwthisawayt 9y ago

Why can’t it be low willpower along with availability of instant cheap calorically rich unsatiating food? In the past even if you had low will power you didn’t have access to cheap 2000+ simple carb / sugar meals. Now we do.

Avshalom 9y ago
Because if it's 70% it's not "low willpower" it's "average plus a standard deviation will power"
- throwthisawayt 9y ago
  Fair point !

whoisjuan 9y ago

Public policy, lack of education, overall culture and scale and dominance of food corporations. I'm not surprised with this data. The best example to understand this is to go to your nearest US convenience store. Price of an Arizona Iced Tea 23oz can = $0.99 Price of the average bottle of water 16 oz = $1.50 Any poorly educated individual wouldn't understand the health implications of gulping 70g of liquid sugar when the only available data points to make food decisions are price and flavor.

bfred_it 9y ago
That makes me wonder... what if non-luxury water was legally fixed to a set price per liter?
aaron-lebo 9y ago
Do people really not understand that drinking 23oz of empty calories day after day will make you fat? People aren't really that ignorant, they make choices, often driven by short term desire. The corporations get this, but I feel like you are using poor as a synonym for stupid. We gotta stop treating poor people like they are dumb helpless animals, it gives them no agency.
- whoisjuan 9y ago
  Dude. It's pretty easy to say that. You're educated and you definitely understand well the implications of sugar consumption. It's easy to imply this just because of your presence here. Someone uneducated will not understand this well. It's not about being stupid or being poor either. You don't hear people blaming their problems on sugar... I consume sugar products because they are delicious (dopamine release). However, I have the knowledge and education to make a conscious decision about moderation. I know how to read a food label. I know how to calculate the amount of sugar in a product. I know these things because I got access to education that allowed me to understand this. No fucking Iced Tea Can is telling you that. You know what is telling you? Price: 99 cents, Flavor: Great... There's your problem. It's not about being stupid. It's about not having enough data to understand the implications of those decisions. Uneducated people don't know about caloric guidelines or recommended processed sugar intake. The only mental filter for consumption of any edible product is its availability and personal flavor appeal.

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Avshalom 9y ago

Well there was also that time in the 90's when we redefined overweight/obese thereby inventing the obesity epidemic overnight.

Joeri 9y ago

It's the food. I've visited the U.S. several times, and every time I'm shocked by how hard it is to find affordable healthy food. Even so called "healthy" options like salads are often loaded with egg yolks, fatty dressings, bacon bits and all kinds of unhealthy ingredients. Portion size is also way off.

justboxing 9y ago
... and salt, sugar and butter. I was surprised to learn that supermarket chicken and meat is routinely injected with salt water and other chemical in a process known as 'Plumping'.... Source: https://www.naturalnews.com/037153_food_industry_chicken_fillers.html https://www.naturalnews.com/037153_food_industry_chicken_fil...
- peterwwillis 9y ago
  One of that article's sources is cracked.com. They're not really known for the strictest journalistic standards. Here's a USDA website describing conditions of meat in stores: https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/meat-preparation/water-in-meat-and-poultry/ct_index https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety...
peterwwillis 9y ago
I think portion size is the main issue with food quality being a very close second. Even if you "eat healthfully", if you eat too much food, you're still fat. I went to a restaurant the other night. I ordered chicken marsala. I ate my meal, and when I felt I was getting full I stopped eating. I had two meals worth of food left. Fat people want more food, so more restaurants put out bigger portions than is healthy. The same is true of prepared and pre-packaged foods. And with high-calorie, salt, fat and carb laden snack foods everywhere you look, you can keep eating all the time, everywhere you go. Find yourself in a place where they don't sell food? Don't worry, here's food made to take everywhere you go, so you can be constantly eating.
nradov 9y ago
There's nothing particularly unhealthy about a little bit of egg yolk, oil (dressing), or bacon. Added sugar in the dressing may be more problematic.