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If you have a cavity, try repairing it yourself. (I did as a poor college student) If the cavity is visible and you can work with it, you may want to try and se

If you have a cavity, try repairing it yourself. (I did as a poor college student) If the cavity is visible and you can work with it, you may want to try and see if your body can do it on it's own. At the very least, you can have a fun biology experiment. First, stop eating anything that eats away your tooth. (coke, I am looking at you..., coffee, sugary and acidic stuff, etc...) Clean out the cavity, I used a toothpick and some hydrogen peroxide. Every day clean it out and keep it clean. Swish copious amounts of spit around in your mouth regularly, all day. That's it. I fixed a large hole in the side of my molar doing this. (dentist didn't believe me years later, but I have a witness, lol)

parshimers 9y ago
>At the very least, you can have a fun biology experiment. I think amateur dentistry possibly resulting in turning a $50 filling into a root canal, implant, or worse, isn't most people's idea of a good time. It's great that it worked for you, but it sounds very penny wise and pound foolish.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  Let wisdom prevail. It's not for everyone to experiment.
- deleted 9y ago
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Something1234 9y ago
Doesn't everything eat away at your teeth or at least in the modern American diet?
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  Our teeth's composition is well known. (minerals? :P, I am semi-ignorant, but my dad is a chemist) I stopped eating anything in the store with a few toxic ingredients many years ago, and this automatically cuts down on a lot of the "teeth eating" foods... I am sure everyone can figure out a rule for themselves to make progress in this area. Changing your diet is free, and doesn't require a dentist or doctor to do it.
  - brador 9y ago
    What are some teeth eating foods outside candy/chocolate/soda?
    - welikethepark 9y ago
      Simple carbohydrates and acids are the worst offenders. Kissing/sharing saliva with people with cavities also increases your risk.
    - sli 9y ago
      Starches can be worse for your teeth than sugar because unlike sugar, starch isn't hydroscopic.
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      Honestly I don't know. I assume acidic foods of any kind. But our bodies are designed to eat plenty of acidic foods, so that is why I don't think demonizing acid is the solution. A few stories I heard a long time ago was babies having their front teeth eaten away because their parents gave them fruit juice in a bottle or sippy cup all the time. So anything that is over done, where the body can't balance the ph on it's own, would be bad. But going too alkaline can be bad also I'd imagine.
    - dsego 9y ago
      Anything with anti-nutrients, phytic acid for example.
    - vinni2 9y ago
      Chips/crisps can be worse than sugar as they can stick between teeth and foster bacterial growth.
trevyn 9y ago
Black coffee seems fine: "The Decayed/Missing/Filled Surface (DMFS) scores varied from 2.9, in subjects who drank black coffee, to 5.5 in subjects who consumed coffee together with sweeteners and creaming agents. The DMFS score was 3.4 in subjects who consumed coffee together with milk but no sugar. The DMFS score of the control subjects was 4, indicating that coffee if consumed alone had anticaries action, but in the presence of additives the antibacterial and anticaries action was totally minimized." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848806/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848806/
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  I'd argue that anything with a ph below 7 will slowly erode teeth over time. And we know how balanced people are with their diets... :P But I drank lattes when I was dealing with my cavity in college (iirc). So I am sure an individual would need to work out what they need to do. edit: had my ph reversed.
maxxxxx 9y ago
Wow, that's interesting. How long did it take? Are you really saying the tooth repaired itself and the cavity is gone? This contradicts everything dentists tell us but I would be very happy if you were right. We definitely need more information. What food to avoid and what food is fine?
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  >How long did it take? I'd say about a month or so until I wasn't worried about it anymore. But again, it was visible and accessible on the side of my tooth. If it was between teeth, not sure what I would do... probably go to the dentist. >Are you really saying the tooth repaired itself and the cavity is gone? Absolutely, yes. It had a yellowish stain in the place where the hole was after it filled in. But even that is not visible anymore. (this was over 15 years ago) >This contradicts everything dentists tell us but I would be very happy if you were right. Yes it does, and it pissed off my dentist when I told him. He was dismissive as though I were crazy. >We definitely need more information. What food to avoid and what food is fine? I really don't like to make detailed assertions like this. I had one simple rule at the time that I followed, I stopped eating white sugar. (and corn syrup) I know many people have different experiences with food, and so I don't like being dogmatic about stuff, I think everyone should experiment with the foods they eat, test things and figure out themselves what works. But if you stop eating refined (or artificial) sweeteners, you will find that easily 70-80% of the food in the grocery store will no longer be in your diet... it's that pervasive. Also, they have like 20 names for refined sugars now. :P
azeirah 9y ago
Wait, ok. Humans can fix their teeth by not eating too much sugars and acids, cleaning their teeth and swishing spit around? If you're for real, please donate yourself to science :|
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  lol, I actually chuckled. I think everyone has the ability. What parts on our body can't self repair? I think it's very few things. Also, I met a guy years ago that could regrow full teeth if they got knocked out. The world is a weird place.
  - sli 9y ago
    I could maybe buy a tooth slowly repairing, especially with fluoride or something, but regrowing whole teeth? I don't buy that for a second.
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      Well, he could have been wrong or lying, but showed where little baby teeth were growing in... so who knows. :P He said some people can do it. Or had a few extra teeth. His "regrown" teeth were not normal looking or impressive at all. Edit: Flourine is more toxic than lead, I wouldn't put that in my mouth even if it cured lead poisoning. Some kids have died in the dentist chair after swallowing their flouride treatments in the past. (maybe it's safer now?) Flouride treatments actually make bone and teeth more brittle, as they replace the calcium. (note, tempting controversy with this subject, I realize this. It's worth doing research on the topic) Edit: I have flouride scarring on my teeth from childhood flouride treatments. This is a common thing.
      - nate_meurer 9y ago
        Elemental fluorine may be more toxic than lead in some ways, but that's irrelevant here. The sodium fluoride added to toothpaste and water is a completely different animal from free fluorine or hydrogen fluoride, and has very low toxicity. Fluoride treatments do not make bones and teeth more brittle, nor does fluorine "replace" calcium. Fluoride treatments are applied directly to your teeth, and work by converting some of the outer enamel into fluoroapatite, which is a more acid-resistant form of the predominant hydroxyapatite. If you rinse and spit after treatments and after brushing, you're ingesting very little fluoride. In amounts far greater than those allowed in municipal water, fluorides can disrupt bone metabolism, causing loss of strength. By far the biggest sources of fluoride contamination in drinking water world-wide are natural, and pose a great challenge because fluorides are as difficult to remove as any other soluble salt. The discoloration on your teeth is not a "scar" in any sense of the word, and unless you have clinically significant dental fluorosis, it is completely harmless.
abecedarius 9y ago
Besides the effect of diet on the mouth environment, nutrition can make a difference: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-tooth-decay-reversal-diet.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-t...
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  I have no doubts that the minerals/chemicals in the saliva that repair teeth rely on good nutrition. Or in some cases teeth may be weak or compromised simply because they didn't grow well because of poor nutrition as a child. Interesting article, thanks for sharing that. Edit: Quote from article you linked that is relevant: >"...I would recommend daily tooth brushing and flossing, avoiding sugar, and rinsing the mouth with water after each meal. This diet is capable of reversing early stage tooth decay." I'd argue that preventing tooth decay with diet is just as, or more, important as being able to repair decay. Also, CDC or ADA (I can't recall which) said that 80-90% of dental carries (cavities) form in the crowns of teeth, in the grooves. And elsewhere on their site state clearly that tooth brush bristles aren't small enough to even clean out these cracks. This means that brushing and flossing can't help with 80-90% of all tooth decay. Though I think they are still good, they aren't near enough.
  - __blockcipher__ 9y ago
    What about a waterpik? Anecdotally, having used one, I think it’s way more effective than traditional flossing, since it actually can clean the gaps between your teeth (is that what you meant by the grooves?)
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      >...the gaps between your teeth (is that what you meant by the grooves?) No, the reference to grooves is on the crown of the tooth. (primarily molars) I think the issue with cleaning them out is that once solids get stuck in there and bacteria eat the solids they release acid that eats the tooth. Years ago my dentist filled these grooves with a UV activated plastic sealant. I think this is standard practice now days. Not sure if a waterpik could do it, I've never had one. (If you have had one, has it prevented cavities for you?)
LinuxBender 9y ago
I do something similar. I wash my mouth twice a day with listerine ultra-clean, which contains 20% alcohol. I leave it in my mouth for about 2 minutes and push my teeth together to get the mouthwash into the gums. This has a funny side effect of killing bacteria that is in the plaque on the teeth. Their remains stain the outer layer, but it comes off easily and makes removing the plaque really easy. I also don't eat anything with added sugar and I take supplements, amino acids, enzymes, extra vitamin d, calcium, chelated magnesium to keep calcium from building up in arteries. A filling became brittle and fell out about 18 years ago. I completely ignored it. I've had zero problems with my teeth since and have not returned to a dentist since then.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  I applaud your focus on health. It's not an easy thing to change in life. What happened to your tooth where the filling fell out? Did it fill in at all naturally? (ie, fully or partially in any way?) Not sure about the listerine, as I think some (or most?) bacteria in our mouth is supposed to be there. There may be some long term issues to consider. But who knows, everyone is affected so differently, I no longer am dogmatic about what will help or not these days. Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage.
  - ValentineC 9y ago
    > Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage. Do you have a source for this?
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      >Do you have a source for this? From the Mayo Clinic. (world famous hospital where US presidents go) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-artery-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20350613 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-arte... "Once the inner wall of an artery is damaged, fatty deposits (plaque) made of cholesterol and other cellular waste products tend to accumulate at the site of injury in a process called atherosclerosis. If the surface of the plaque breaks or ruptures, blood cells called platelets will clump at the site to try to repair the artery. This clump can block the artery, leading to a heart attack."
ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
I've also "cured" a cavity.... There are two things everyone should be aware of 1) Dentists see a spot on the their x-ray they call a pre-cavity, and then drill. Often this is a false positive, and you never really had a cavity to begin with, so you can easily cure yourself of their false positives. 2) Saliva does a lot to help your teeth. But every time you eat you are making it harder for it to do its job of protecting your mouth. Intermittent fasting, or people who only eat once or twice a day, have a much easier time maintaining dental health. There is no amount of brushing that can help you if you are constantly snacking all day. If you do a Keto Diet (very low sugar) and don't eat anything at all for 16+ hours a day, a lot of people will find that their cavities shrink and disappear over time as your body creates new enamel faster than you are destroying it.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  +1 on the fasting (same with snacking all day), probably the easiest and best thing you can do to help you heal anything. (do some "critical" research on this, many people/doctors hate fasting...) When fasting, you can feel and taste the difference in your mouth's saliva.
  - parliament32 9y ago
    Intermittent fasting is indeed a godsend, for fixing pretty much anything wrong with your body. It's gaining popularity now but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the mainstream health craze (think "low-fat") in the next decade.
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      I ate one meal a day last July, for the entire month. (drank distilled water during the non-eating time) I documented my progress in a spreadsheet and I lost .5 pounds a day on average. I increased (easily, fasting makes you stronger) my run from 1 miles to 2 miles, got up to 3 at one point. I started running 6 days (about) a week during this time. I went from 202lbs (average weight) to 186lbs in a month. I gained some back quickly to even out at 190lbs, and now I maintain 192-194 easily, but have replaced fat with muscle. Also, I stopped running in the winter (started doing strength work), I suspect I will get below 190 in the spring. But also I don't do the timed structure for eating, it'd likely help with the small amount of extra weight I keep. :P I know many people that have made incredible changes doing this, I hope it catches on more.

parshimers 9y ago

>At the very least, you can have a fun biology experiment. I think amateur dentistry possibly resulting in turning a $50 filling into a root canal, implant, or worse, isn't most people's idea of a good time. It's great that it worked for you, but it sounds very penny wise and pound foolish.

RobertRoberts 9y ago
Let wisdom prevail. It's not for everyone to experiment.
deleted 9y ago
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Something1234 9y ago

Doesn't everything eat away at your teeth or at least in the modern American diet?

RobertRoberts 9y ago
Our teeth's composition is well known. (minerals? :P, I am semi-ignorant, but my dad is a chemist) I stopped eating anything in the store with a few toxic ingredients many years ago, and this automatically cuts down on a lot of the "teeth eating" foods... I am sure everyone can figure out a rule for themselves to make progress in this area. Changing your diet is free, and doesn't require a dentist or doctor to do it.
- brador 9y ago
  What are some teeth eating foods outside candy/chocolate/soda?
  - welikethepark 9y ago
    Simple carbohydrates and acids are the worst offenders. Kissing/sharing saliva with people with cavities also increases your risk.
  - sli 9y ago
    Starches can be worse for your teeth than sugar because unlike sugar, starch isn't hydroscopic.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    Honestly I don't know. I assume acidic foods of any kind. But our bodies are designed to eat plenty of acidic foods, so that is why I don't think demonizing acid is the solution. A few stories I heard a long time ago was babies having their front teeth eaten away because their parents gave them fruit juice in a bottle or sippy cup all the time. So anything that is over done, where the body can't balance the ph on it's own, would be bad. But going too alkaline can be bad also I'd imagine.
  - dsego 9y ago
    Anything with anti-nutrients, phytic acid for example.
  - vinni2 9y ago
    Chips/crisps can be worse than sugar as they can stick between teeth and foster bacterial growth.

trevyn 9y ago

Black coffee seems fine: "The Decayed/Missing/Filled Surface (DMFS) scores varied from 2.9, in subjects who drank black coffee, to 5.5 in subjects who consumed coffee together with sweeteners and creaming agents. The DMFS score was 3.4 in subjects who consumed coffee together with milk but no sugar. The DMFS score of the control subjects was 4, indicating that coffee if consumed alone had anticaries action, but in the presence of additives the antibacterial and anticaries action was totally minimized." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848806/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848806/

RobertRoberts 9y ago
I'd argue that anything with a ph below 7 will slowly erode teeth over time. And we know how balanced people are with their diets... :P But I drank lattes when I was dealing with my cavity in college (iirc). So I am sure an individual would need to work out what they need to do. edit: had my ph reversed.

maxxxxx 9y ago

Wow, that's interesting. How long did it take? Are you really saying the tooth repaired itself and the cavity is gone? This contradicts everything dentists tell us but I would be very happy if you were right. We definitely need more information. What food to avoid and what food is fine?

RobertRoberts 9y ago
>How long did it take? I'd say about a month or so until I wasn't worried about it anymore. But again, it was visible and accessible on the side of my tooth. If it was between teeth, not sure what I would do... probably go to the dentist. >Are you really saying the tooth repaired itself and the cavity is gone? Absolutely, yes. It had a yellowish stain in the place where the hole was after it filled in. But even that is not visible anymore. (this was over 15 years ago) >This contradicts everything dentists tell us but I would be very happy if you were right. Yes it does, and it pissed off my dentist when I told him. He was dismissive as though I were crazy. >We definitely need more information. What food to avoid and what food is fine? I really don't like to make detailed assertions like this. I had one simple rule at the time that I followed, I stopped eating white sugar. (and corn syrup) I know many people have different experiences with food, and so I don't like being dogmatic about stuff, I think everyone should experiment with the foods they eat, test things and figure out themselves what works. But if you stop eating refined (or artificial) sweeteners, you will find that easily 70-80% of the food in the grocery store will no longer be in your diet... it's that pervasive. Also, they have like 20 names for refined sugars now. :P

azeirah 9y ago

Wait, ok. Humans can fix their teeth by not eating too much sugars and acids, cleaning their teeth and swishing spit around? If you're for real, please donate yourself to science :|

RobertRoberts 9y ago
lol, I actually chuckled. I think everyone has the ability. What parts on our body can't self repair? I think it's very few things. Also, I met a guy years ago that could regrow full teeth if they got knocked out. The world is a weird place.
- sli 9y ago
  I could maybe buy a tooth slowly repairing, especially with fluoride or something, but regrowing whole teeth? I don't buy that for a second.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    Well, he could have been wrong or lying, but showed where little baby teeth were growing in... so who knows. :P He said some people can do it. Or had a few extra teeth. His "regrown" teeth were not normal looking or impressive at all. Edit: Flourine is more toxic than lead, I wouldn't put that in my mouth even if it cured lead poisoning. Some kids have died in the dentist chair after swallowing their flouride treatments in the past. (maybe it's safer now?) Flouride treatments actually make bone and teeth more brittle, as they replace the calcium. (note, tempting controversy with this subject, I realize this. It's worth doing research on the topic) Edit: I have flouride scarring on my teeth from childhood flouride treatments. This is a common thing.
    - nate_meurer 9y ago
      Elemental fluorine may be more toxic than lead in some ways, but that's irrelevant here. The sodium fluoride added to toothpaste and water is a completely different animal from free fluorine or hydrogen fluoride, and has very low toxicity. Fluoride treatments do not make bones and teeth more brittle, nor does fluorine "replace" calcium. Fluoride treatments are applied directly to your teeth, and work by converting some of the outer enamel into fluoroapatite, which is a more acid-resistant form of the predominant hydroxyapatite. If you rinse and spit after treatments and after brushing, you're ingesting very little fluoride. In amounts far greater than those allowed in municipal water, fluorides can disrupt bone metabolism, causing loss of strength. By far the biggest sources of fluoride contamination in drinking water world-wide are natural, and pose a great challenge because fluorides are as difficult to remove as any other soluble salt. The discoloration on your teeth is not a "scar" in any sense of the word, and unless you have clinically significant dental fluorosis, it is completely harmless.

abecedarius 9y ago

Besides the effect of diet on the mouth environment, nutrition can make a difference: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-tooth-decay-reversal-diet.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-t...

RobertRoberts 9y ago
I have no doubts that the minerals/chemicals in the saliva that repair teeth rely on good nutrition. Or in some cases teeth may be weak or compromised simply because they didn't grow well because of poor nutrition as a child. Interesting article, thanks for sharing that. Edit: Quote from article you linked that is relevant: >"...I would recommend daily tooth brushing and flossing, avoiding sugar, and rinsing the mouth with water after each meal. This diet is capable of reversing early stage tooth decay." I'd argue that preventing tooth decay with diet is just as, or more, important as being able to repair decay. Also, CDC or ADA (I can't recall which) said that 80-90% of dental carries (cavities) form in the crowns of teeth, in the grooves. And elsewhere on their site state clearly that tooth brush bristles aren't small enough to even clean out these cracks. This means that brushing and flossing can't help with 80-90% of all tooth decay. Though I think they are still good, they aren't near enough.
- __blockcipher__ 9y ago
  What about a waterpik? Anecdotally, having used one, I think it’s way more effective than traditional flossing, since it actually can clean the gaps between your teeth (is that what you meant by the grooves?)
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    >...the gaps between your teeth (is that what you meant by the grooves?) No, the reference to grooves is on the crown of the tooth. (primarily molars) I think the issue with cleaning them out is that once solids get stuck in there and bacteria eat the solids they release acid that eats the tooth. Years ago my dentist filled these grooves with a UV activated plastic sealant. I think this is standard practice now days. Not sure if a waterpik could do it, I've never had one. (If you have had one, has it prevented cavities for you?)

LinuxBender 9y ago

I do something similar. I wash my mouth twice a day with listerine ultra-clean, which contains 20% alcohol. I leave it in my mouth for about 2 minutes and push my teeth together to get the mouthwash into the gums. This has a funny side effect of killing bacteria that is in the plaque on the teeth. Their remains stain the outer layer, but it comes off easily and makes removing the plaque really easy. I also don't eat anything with added sugar and I take supplements, amino acids, enzymes, extra vitamin d, calcium, chelated magnesium to keep calcium from building up in arteries. A filling became brittle and fell out about 18 years ago. I completely ignored it. I've had zero problems with my teeth since and have not returned to a dentist since then.

RobertRoberts 9y ago
I applaud your focus on health. It's not an easy thing to change in life. What happened to your tooth where the filling fell out? Did it fill in at all naturally? (ie, fully or partially in any way?) Not sure about the listerine, as I think some (or most?) bacteria in our mouth is supposed to be there. There may be some long term issues to consider. But who knows, everyone is affected so differently, I no longer am dogmatic about what will help or not these days. Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage. Do you have a source for this?
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    >Do you have a source for this? From the Mayo Clinic. (world famous hospital where US presidents go) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-artery-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20350613 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-arte... "Once the inner wall of an artery is damaged, fatty deposits (plaque) made of cholesterol and other cellular waste products tend to accumulate at the site of injury in a process called atherosclerosis. If the surface of the plaque breaks or ruptures, blood cells called platelets will clump at the site to try to repair the artery. This clump can block the artery, leading to a heart attack."

ghostbrainalpha 9y ago

I've also "cured" a cavity.... There are two things everyone should be aware of 1) Dentists see a spot on the their x-ray they call a pre-cavity, and then drill. Often this is a false positive, and you never really had a cavity to begin with, so you can easily cure yourself of their false positives. 2) Saliva does a lot to help your teeth. But every time you eat you are making it harder for it to do its job of protecting your mouth. Intermittent fasting, or people who only eat once or twice a day, have a much easier time maintaining dental health. There is no amount of brushing that can help you if you are constantly snacking all day. If you do a Keto Diet (very low sugar) and don't eat anything at all for 16+ hours a day, a lot of people will find that their cavities shrink and disappear over time as your body creates new enamel faster than you are destroying it.

RobertRoberts 9y ago
+1 on the fasting (same with snacking all day), probably the easiest and best thing you can do to help you heal anything. (do some "critical" research on this, many people/doctors hate fasting...) When fasting, you can feel and taste the difference in your mouth's saliva.
- parliament32 9y ago
  Intermittent fasting is indeed a godsend, for fixing pretty much anything wrong with your body. It's gaining popularity now but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the mainstream health craze (think "low-fat") in the next decade.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    I ate one meal a day last July, for the entire month. (drank distilled water during the non-eating time) I documented my progress in a spreadsheet and I lost .5 pounds a day on average. I increased (easily, fasting makes you stronger) my run from 1 miles to 2 miles, got up to 3 at one point. I started running 6 days (about) a week during this time. I went from 202lbs (average weight) to 186lbs in a month. I gained some back quickly to even out at 190lbs, and now I maintain 192-194 easily, but have replaced fat with muscle. Also, I stopped running in the winter (started doing strength work), I suspect I will get below 190 in the spring. But also I don't do the timed structure for eating, it'd likely help with the small amount of extra weight I keep. :P I know many people that have made incredible changes doing this, I hope it catches on more.