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Now imagine the MPEG-LA making money off these tests and driving up the costs of anything using CRISPR. No, i'm not bullshitting you. http://www.mpegla.com/ma

Now imagine the MPEG-LA making money off these tests and driving up the costs of anything using CRISPR. No, i'm not bullshitting you. http://www.mpegla.com/main/pid/CRISPR/default.aspx http://www.mpegla.com/main/pid/CRISPR/default.aspx

adventured 9y ago
MPEG LA has very limited market patent positioning in the US. The Broad Institute is sitting on radically superior IP, including the US patent on CRISPR Cas9 and global control of CRISPR Cpf1, which MPEG LA does not have any access to or control over. MPEG LA also doesn't have any rights to Sherlock. Nearly all global rights to all forms of CRISPR are controlled by Berkeley, Vienna and the Broad Institute (with some smaller IP held by a few universities, and some corporations like Editas, Intellia, CRISPR Therapeutics, etc). MPEG LA has essentailly zero power over CRISPR, they own zero patents on CRISPR, they're trying to skim money by being a deal connector of the Berkeley & Vienna patents.
- kanzure 9y ago
  I think the biologists need to take a long, hard look at how MPEG-LA has acted and conducted itself in the past. Even if you blame its participants for their collective behavior, it's still pretty damning of this operation and currency of thinking. Keep CRISPR-Cas9 out of MPEG-LA. Y'all have been warned. Form a pool using defensive patent licenses, do whatever it takes if you really want to reduce "transaction costs", but do it without that community.
  - adventured 9y ago
    No question, both the commercial potential of CRISPR and the humanitarian potential will be served by keeping MPEG LA on the outside. So far that appears to be the case, their dream of acting as the centralized CRISPR patent authority hasn't gotten traction.
    - kanzure 9y ago
      MPEG-LA has also been getting into the human genome project-write initiative. Source: I'm on the intellectual propety working group. The only other active member is MPEG-LA. Send help immediately.
      - adventured 9y ago
        That's wild. What do you suspect they're attempting to accomplish with HGPW? Are they using it to scout patent opportunities?
        kanzure 9y ago
        I think they probably haven't even sorted out their intentions at this point. But you know, these things just have a way of developing on their own just by tiny nudges at the beginning. For an overview of the GP-write project, see the following: 1) Science article: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/The%20human%20genome%20project%20-%20write,%20hgp-write%20-%202016.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/The%20human%20genome%20p... 2) timeline: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Synthetic%20human%20genome%20project%20hgp-write%20draft%20timeline%20-%202016.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Synthetic%20human%20geno... 3) fact sheet: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/HGP-write-Fact-Sheet.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/HGP-write-Fact-Sheet.pdf Really I'd like to somehow get EFF to ride to my rescue but I've sort of got myself into this mess on my own so it's not really on them. EFF doesn't focus on biological freedom issues like these, anyway. At least not yet.
- coldacid 9y ago
  They don't need to have any control of patents to do this, though, they can simply operate through FUD alone. Even though it's illegal, US IP law is very weak against such fraudulent behaviour and the slap on the wrist they _might_ get if they're caught will be outweighed by the profit they make from those who fall for their racket.
newnewpdro 9y ago
Ugh, wherever there's money to be made...
nonbel 9y ago
Interesting. From the beginning something has seemed something really, really wrong about CRISPR. The amount of sloppy research, hype, etc has just been well beyond the norm.[1] There is definitely some kind of shady and amoral organization behind it. [1] For example, in a few years you won't hear anything about the gene editing any longer since that was never going to work (it is too toxic by its very nature of causing DSBs). These other uses may or may not be OK, I haven't looked into it.

adventured 9y ago

MPEG LA has very limited market patent positioning in the US. The Broad Institute is sitting on radically superior IP, including the US patent on CRISPR Cas9 and global control of CRISPR Cpf1, which MPEG LA does not have any access to or control over. MPEG LA also doesn't have any rights to Sherlock. Nearly all global rights to all forms of CRISPR are controlled by Berkeley, Vienna and the Broad Institute (with some smaller IP held by a few universities, and some corporations like Editas, Intellia, CRISPR Therapeutics, etc). MPEG LA has essentailly zero power over CRISPR, they own zero patents on CRISPR, they're trying to skim money by being a deal connector of the Berkeley & Vienna patents.

kanzure 9y ago
I think the biologists need to take a long, hard look at how MPEG-LA has acted and conducted itself in the past. Even if you blame its participants for their collective behavior, it's still pretty damning of this operation and currency of thinking. Keep CRISPR-Cas9 out of MPEG-LA. Y'all have been warned. Form a pool using defensive patent licenses, do whatever it takes if you really want to reduce "transaction costs", but do it without that community.
- adventured 9y ago
  No question, both the commercial potential of CRISPR and the humanitarian potential will be served by keeping MPEG LA on the outside. So far that appears to be the case, their dream of acting as the centralized CRISPR patent authority hasn't gotten traction.
  - kanzure 9y ago
    MPEG-LA has also been getting into the human genome project-write initiative. Source: I'm on the intellectual propety working group. The only other active member is MPEG-LA. Send help immediately.
    - adventured 9y ago
      That's wild. What do you suspect they're attempting to accomplish with HGPW? Are they using it to scout patent opportunities?
      - kanzure 9y ago
        I think they probably haven't even sorted out their intentions at this point. But you know, these things just have a way of developing on their own just by tiny nudges at the beginning. For an overview of the GP-write project, see the following: 1) Science article: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/The%20human%20genome%20project%20-%20write,%20hgp-write%20-%202016.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/The%20human%20genome%20p... 2) timeline: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Synthetic%20human%20genome%20project%20hgp-write%20draft%20timeline%20-%202016.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Synthetic%20human%20geno... 3) fact sheet: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/HGP-write-Fact-Sheet.pdf http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/HGP-write-Fact-Sheet.pdf Really I'd like to somehow get EFF to ride to my rescue but I've sort of got myself into this mess on my own so it's not really on them. EFF doesn't focus on biological freedom issues like these, anyway. At least not yet.
coldacid 9y ago
They don't need to have any control of patents to do this, though, they can simply operate through FUD alone. Even though it's illegal, US IP law is very weak against such fraudulent behaviour and the slap on the wrist they _might_ get if they're caught will be outweighed by the profit they make from those who fall for their racket.

newnewpdro 9y ago

Ugh, wherever there's money to be made...

nonbel 9y ago

Interesting. From the beginning something has seemed something really, really wrong about CRISPR. The amount of sloppy research, hype, etc has just been well beyond the norm.[1] There is definitely some kind of shady and amoral organization behind it. [1] For example, in a few years you won't hear anything about the gene editing any longer since that was never going to work (it is too toxic by its very nature of causing DSBs). These other uses may or may not be OK, I haven't looked into it.