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Well at least china has a internet industry- unlike Europe, more then lip service to liberalism, doesn't seem to pay too well.

pjc50 9y ago
Bizarre assertion that Europe doesn't have an internet industry. There's this mobile phone company you may have heard of called "Nokia".
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  Yeah, it was so hard to diggest, the valley (M$) ate it and it came back to tell the tale. Seriously, i know - free trade horray- and all that. But our politicians see WeeChat rise and shine- while all we got for opening our markets are outstanding taxes. (Not).
- zombieprocesses 9y ago
  Not the best example of european "tech industry". Nokia failed horribly and pretty much went bankrupt and got bought up by MSFT. Also, I wouldn't call nokia as part of the "internet industry". Compared to the US and China, europe has performed rather poorly. Europe has hundreds of millions of more people than the US and yet lags far behind the US. Where is europe's facebook, google, microsoft, amazon, netflix, etc? At least china has their baidu, alibaba, tencent, etc. The most prominent tech company in europe is SAP and they are more of a software/database/etc company than an internet company. Europe has to get its act together and get in the game.
  - threeseed 9y ago
    1) Nokia is more than just their phone division. Might want to do a bit of research. That said their phone division is killing it right now. 2) Spotify, Soundcloud, Skype, Shazam, Deliveroo, King, Rovio etc. And there are hundreds of second tier internet sites looking at this list from 2013: http://tech.eu/features/186/ignorance-is-remiss/ http://tech.eu/features/186/ignorance-is-remiss/
    - adventured 9y ago
      Soundcloud went bankrupt in real terms. Spotify is actively attempting to go bankrupt, given the extreme rate of red ink burn and their failure to produce a sustainable business (they're going to end up getting acquired, the licensing business will never produce profit margins). Skype was sold off to two different US technology giants. ARM was swallowed up by Japan. King was eaten by a US company. As was Mojang. These are all smaller success stories however. They're equivalent to fourth tier US successes, far below the second tier US companies like Adobe, Cisco, Texas Instruments, Airbnb, Priceline.com, Uber, etc. The parent comment was correct. Europe nearly entirely missed the Internet/Web software business, the mobile software business, the cloud business, and now they're being left far behind in artificial intelligence (save for a few bright spots, such as in Britain, none of which has yielded commercial outcomes of large consequence). Germany is almost single handedly keeping Europe competitive in the robotics field. And the largest tech company in Europe for the last decade, has been SAP. Look at this list and compare it to companies like King and Soundcloud: Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Intel, Cisco, Adobe, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Oracle, Activision Blizzard, Salesforce, Priceline, nVidia, Dell, IBM, VMWare, Texas Instruments, Micron, Analog Devices, Applied Materials, HP Inc, HP Enterprise, Intuit, Uber, Airbnb, Twitter, Snapchat, Pinterest, eBay, PayPal, Stripe, Square, Workday, Western Digital, Electronic Arts, Palantir, AMD, Autodesk, Lam Research, ServiceNow, WeWork, Lyft, Dropbox, Splunk, Marvell Technology, Palo Alto Networks, Fortinet, Microchip Technology Inc, NetApp, Juniper, Seagate, Symantec, VeriSign, Slack, Grubhub And that's ignoring dozens of other companies in the US tech sector with market caps between $2 billion and $20 billion.
- nicky0 9y ago
  How are Nokia doing these days?
  - threeseed 9y ago
    Pretty good actually. 23.1 billion in revenue for 2017. Coming back to stronger profitability and their phone sales are surprising everyone: "Nokia smartphones were #3 in the UK for the quarter and in the Top 5 in Russia, Vietnam and most Middle Eastern markets"
    - nicky0 9y ago
      Thank you.
Nnuie21 9y ago
Yes, at least an autocratic, one party state with complete disregard for human rights has an Internet industry, unlike that shithole, Europe.

pjc50 9y ago

Bizarre assertion that Europe doesn't have an internet industry. There's this mobile phone company you may have heard of called "Nokia".

Pica_soO 9y ago
Yeah, it was so hard to diggest, the valley (M$) ate it and it came back to tell the tale. Seriously, i know - free trade horray- and all that. But our politicians see WeeChat rise and shine- while all we got for opening our markets are outstanding taxes. (Not).
zombieprocesses 9y ago
Not the best example of european "tech industry". Nokia failed horribly and pretty much went bankrupt and got bought up by MSFT. Also, I wouldn't call nokia as part of the "internet industry". Compared to the US and China, europe has performed rather poorly. Europe has hundreds of millions of more people than the US and yet lags far behind the US. Where is europe's facebook, google, microsoft, amazon, netflix, etc? At least china has their baidu, alibaba, tencent, etc. The most prominent tech company in europe is SAP and they are more of a software/database/etc company than an internet company. Europe has to get its act together and get in the game.
- threeseed 9y ago
  1) Nokia is more than just their phone division. Might want to do a bit of research. That said their phone division is killing it right now. 2) Spotify, Soundcloud, Skype, Shazam, Deliveroo, King, Rovio etc. And there are hundreds of second tier internet sites looking at this list from 2013: http://tech.eu/features/186/ignorance-is-remiss/ http://tech.eu/features/186/ignorance-is-remiss/
  - adventured 9y ago
    Soundcloud went bankrupt in real terms. Spotify is actively attempting to go bankrupt, given the extreme rate of red ink burn and their failure to produce a sustainable business (they're going to end up getting acquired, the licensing business will never produce profit margins). Skype was sold off to two different US technology giants. ARM was swallowed up by Japan. King was eaten by a US company. As was Mojang. These are all smaller success stories however. They're equivalent to fourth tier US successes, far below the second tier US companies like Adobe, Cisco, Texas Instruments, Airbnb, Priceline.com, Uber, etc. The parent comment was correct. Europe nearly entirely missed the Internet/Web software business, the mobile software business, the cloud business, and now they're being left far behind in artificial intelligence (save for a few bright spots, such as in Britain, none of which has yielded commercial outcomes of large consequence). Germany is almost single handedly keeping Europe competitive in the robotics field. And the largest tech company in Europe for the last decade, has been SAP. Look at this list and compare it to companies like King and Soundcloud: Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Intel, Cisco, Adobe, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Oracle, Activision Blizzard, Salesforce, Priceline, nVidia, Dell, IBM, VMWare, Texas Instruments, Micron, Analog Devices, Applied Materials, HP Inc, HP Enterprise, Intuit, Uber, Airbnb, Twitter, Snapchat, Pinterest, eBay, PayPal, Stripe, Square, Workday, Western Digital, Electronic Arts, Palantir, AMD, Autodesk, Lam Research, ServiceNow, WeWork, Lyft, Dropbox, Splunk, Marvell Technology, Palo Alto Networks, Fortinet, Microchip Technology Inc, NetApp, Juniper, Seagate, Symantec, VeriSign, Slack, Grubhub And that's ignoring dozens of other companies in the US tech sector with market caps between $2 billion and $20 billion.
nicky0 9y ago
How are Nokia doing these days?
- threeseed 9y ago
  Pretty good actually. 23.1 billion in revenue for 2017. Coming back to stronger profitability and their phone sales are surprising everyone: "Nokia smartphones were #3 in the UK for the quarter and in the Top 5 in Russia, Vietnam and most Middle Eastern markets"
  - nicky0 9y ago
    Thank you.

Nnuie21 9y ago

Yes, at least an autocratic, one party state with complete disregard for human rights has an Internet industry, unlike that shithole, Europe.