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The iPhone X is the best device I've owned. The notch quickly became unnoticeable but took a few days to get used to lack of a physical home button but that's a

by mythz 9y ago

The iPhone X is the best device I've owned. The notch quickly became unnoticeable but took a few days to get used to lack of a physical home button but that's also become natural to use and going back to use my wife's iPhone now feels more mechanical/primitive.

timr 9y ago
I tried an X, and bought a 7 instead. The notch was ugly. So now we've shared competing anecdotes. We can conclude only that anecdotes aren't arguments.
- TimothyBJacobs 9y ago
  So you reply with another anecdote? The sales figures prove that it has been seen as largely successful.
  - timr 9y ago
    I'm pointing out that my anecdote is no more or less relevant than anyone else's anecdote. "The sales figures prove that it has been seen as largely successful." Demand for the X has actually been pretty weak: https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-to-curtail-iphone-x-production-in-the-face-of-weak-demand-1517312098 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-to-curtail-iphone-x-produ... http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/investing/iphone-x-weak-sales/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/investing/iphone-x-weak-sale... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphone/apple-suppliers-drop-on-report-of-weak-iphone-x-demand-idUSKBN1EK0MH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphone/apple-suppli... https://mashable.com/2018/01/22/iphone-x-discontinued-prediction/#1A83yvRa_iqr https://mashable.com/2018/01/22/iphone-x-discontinued-predic...
    - mythz 9y ago
      You've successfully referenced rumor sources with click bait headlines published before Apple announced their actual results: > “We’re thrilled to report the biggest quarter in Apple’s history, with broad-based growth that included the highest revenue ever from a new iPhone lineup. iPhone X surpassed our expectations and has been our top-selling iPhone every week since it shipped in November,” https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/02/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/02/apple-reports-first-q...
      - timr 9y ago
        iPhone sales were down 1.24 percent year over year. They made more money because the phone is more expensive. Also, nothing in that statement negates anything said in the links I posted. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16961562/apple-q1-2018-earnings-iphone-x-sales-units-down-revenue-increase-average-sale-price https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16961562/apple-q1-2018-ear...
        mythz 9y ago
        Yes unit sales were down 1.24%, which is contributed by Q1 2017 results reporting 14 weeks instead of 13 weeks this quarter, the iPhone X being supply constrained and basic economics 101 law of supply/demand when raising prices. Since you're quoting percentages to justify your insistence of "Demand for the X has actually been pretty weak", here are some more percentages you've left out: > The Company posted quarterly revenue of $88.3 billion, an increase of 13 percent from the year-ago quarter and an all-time record, and quarterly earnings per diluted share of $3.89, up 16 percent, also an all-time record.
- mythz 9y ago
  I'm responding to the unsubstantiated claim that: > lots of mass market products are terribly designed Insinuating the iPhone X is terribly designed which isn't my experience (the only one I have). By definition all personal experiences are anecdotal, so no I haven't conducted any empirical studies (neither have you), but we can infer given the iPhone X is Apple's top selling phone that most people prefer the iPhone X despite its higher price.
  - timr 9y ago
    No, you aren't. You're saying that you liked the iPhone, which is evidence neither for nor against the parent's claim. "we can infer given the iPhone X is Apple's top selling phone that most people prefer the iPhone X despite its higher price." Maybe, maybe not. But that's not what you said. You said merely that you liked the iPhone X.
    - mythz 9y ago
      You're either very confused or trolling. I have directly responded to the comment I've quoted, as evident by looking at the parent comment that my comment replied to. > Maybe, maybe not. But that's not what you said. That's exactly what I've said, you've even copied it verbatim, which was in response to your comment pointing out the very obvious fact that personal experiences are anecdotal, which you've somehow tried to contradict using your own anecdote. It should not surprise anyone that most comments are anecdotal (especially those beginning with 'I') but which should at least count for 1 data point with experience which is more than enough to respond to unsubstantiated claims.
      - timr 9y ago
        "That's exactly what I've said, you've even copied it verbatim" No, I didn't. But I will now: "The iPhone X is the best device I've owned. The notch quickly became unnoticeable but took a few days to get used to lack of a physical home button but that's also become natural to use and going back to use my wife's iPhone now feels more mechanical/primitive." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403374

by mythz 9y ago

timr 9y ago

I tried an X, and bought a 7 instead. The notch was ugly. So now we've shared competing anecdotes. We can conclude only that anecdotes aren't arguments.

TimothyBJacobs 9y ago
So you reply with another anecdote? The sales figures prove that it has been seen as largely successful.
- timr 9y ago
  I'm pointing out that my anecdote is no more or less relevant than anyone else's anecdote. "The sales figures prove that it has been seen as largely successful." Demand for the X has actually been pretty weak: https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-to-curtail-iphone-x-production-in-the-face-of-weak-demand-1517312098 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-to-curtail-iphone-x-produ... http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/investing/iphone-x-weak-sales/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/26/investing/iphone-x-weak-sale... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphone/apple-suppliers-drop-on-report-of-weak-iphone-x-demand-idUSKBN1EK0MH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphone/apple-suppli... https://mashable.com/2018/01/22/iphone-x-discontinued-prediction/#1A83yvRa_iqr https://mashable.com/2018/01/22/iphone-x-discontinued-predic...
  - mythz 9y ago
    You've successfully referenced rumor sources with click bait headlines published before Apple announced their actual results: > “We’re thrilled to report the biggest quarter in Apple’s history, with broad-based growth that included the highest revenue ever from a new iPhone lineup. iPhone X surpassed our expectations and has been our top-selling iPhone every week since it shipped in November,” https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/02/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/02/apple-reports-first-q...
    - timr 9y ago
      iPhone sales were down 1.24 percent year over year. They made more money because the phone is more expensive. Also, nothing in that statement negates anything said in the links I posted. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16961562/apple-q1-2018-earnings-iphone-x-sales-units-down-revenue-increase-average-sale-price https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16961562/apple-q1-2018-ear...
      - mythz 9y ago
        Yes unit sales were down 1.24%, which is contributed by Q1 2017 results reporting 14 weeks instead of 13 weeks this quarter, the iPhone X being supply constrained and basic economics 101 law of supply/demand when raising prices. Since you're quoting percentages to justify your insistence of "Demand for the X has actually been pretty weak", here are some more percentages you've left out: > The Company posted quarterly revenue of $88.3 billion, an increase of 13 percent from the year-ago quarter and an all-time record, and quarterly earnings per diluted share of $3.89, up 16 percent, also an all-time record.
mythz 9y ago
I'm responding to the unsubstantiated claim that: > lots of mass market products are terribly designed Insinuating the iPhone X is terribly designed which isn't my experience (the only one I have). By definition all personal experiences are anecdotal, so no I haven't conducted any empirical studies (neither have you), but we can infer given the iPhone X is Apple's top selling phone that most people prefer the iPhone X despite its higher price.
- timr 9y ago
  No, you aren't. You're saying that you liked the iPhone, which is evidence neither for nor against the parent's claim. "we can infer given the iPhone X is Apple's top selling phone that most people prefer the iPhone X despite its higher price." Maybe, maybe not. But that's not what you said. You said merely that you liked the iPhone X.
  - mythz 9y ago
    You're either very confused or trolling. I have directly responded to the comment I've quoted, as evident by looking at the parent comment that my comment replied to. > Maybe, maybe not. But that's not what you said. That's exactly what I've said, you've even copied it verbatim, which was in response to your comment pointing out the very obvious fact that personal experiences are anecdotal, which you've somehow tried to contradict using your own anecdote. It should not surprise anyone that most comments are anecdotal (especially those beginning with 'I') but which should at least count for 1 data point with experience which is more than enough to respond to unsubstantiated claims.
    - timr 9y ago
      "That's exactly what I've said, you've even copied it verbatim" No, I didn't. But I will now: "The iPhone X is the best device I've owned. The notch quickly became unnoticeable but took a few days to get used to lack of a physical home button but that's also become natural to use and going back to use my wife's iPhone now feels more mechanical/primitive." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403374