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> My point is that discrimination against conservative viewpoints is not a significant phenomenon in SFBA tech, unless by "conservative" you mean sexist or raci

by tntn 9y ago

> My point is that discrimination against conservative viewpoints is not a significant phenomenon in SFBA tech, unless by "conservative" you mean sexist or racist. Or don't think gay marriage should be legal, or are religious, or dislike welfare, or oppose the ACA, or think abortion should be illegal. EDIT: Or thinks having separate male and female bathrooms makes a lot of sense, or supports strict immigration policies, or oppose affirmative action, or thinks "we reserve the right to deny service to anyone" should be a real thing, or ... But yeah, just racist & sexist.

guyzero 9y ago
So you're saying people have been discriminated against in SFBA tech companies for believing in strict immigration policies? This seems like a pretty strong claim and I'm curious what examples you have other than it being something most people don't agree with.
- Veelox 9y ago
  Being accused of being a racist on an internal company form happen to me.
- d1zzy 9y ago
  Depends on if that creates a hostile work environment or not. If a lot of your coworkers would be (or believe that they would be) negatively impacted by the policies you publicly support and talk about, then it's reasonable to think that they will have trouble working together with you and it's reasonable to think then that management may not see you expressing these views as something useful or positive for the company. And by "negative" above I do not mean that they would be inconvenienced, I mean that these policies may have drastic consequences on their lives and families, something it is much harder for those people to not have an emotional response to.
seba_dos1 9y ago
Thinking gay marriage shouldn't be legal is not "conservative", it's plain discriminating. Denying abortions to others is a bit muddier, but somewhat similar - forcing your own, not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. I don't know much about ACA, so can't say anything about it. With those three out of sight, I'm really interested in what kind of discrimination people in SFBA tech that are religious or dislike welfare face.
- tntn 9y ago
  > not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. There is no such thing as a "universally accepted moral code."
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- malvosenior 9y ago
  > Thinking gay marriage shouldn't be legal is not "conservative", it's plain discriminating While I certainly agree it shouldn't be illegal, there is a long history of religious opposition to this that I don't think it's so simple to hand wave away. Just because we feel strongly that we are obviously in the right, doesn't absolve us from understanding why someone might feel a certain way. > Denying abortions to others is a bit muddier This one goes beyond muddy into clear political territory. For every one person you find that sees pro-life as "denying abortions" you'll find someone who see it as "denying murder". Pushing this debate into the workplace seems beyond a bad idea. > I don't know much about ACA As someone who's premiums more than doubled after the ACA, I think it's fair to say its value is debatable and no one should be fired for sitting on either side of that debate. > forcing your own, not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. Everyone feels they are living to their own moral code. There is no universally accepted standard, but firing/shaming/blacklisting people for their beliefs is wrong (according to my own moral code).
- Veelox 9y ago
  > With those three out of sight, I'm really interested in what kind of discrimination people in SFBA tech that are religious or dislike welfare face. While I have not personally voiced the following opinion I have not because it could easily be called racist. I think the thing that would most improve the prospects of African Americans in the US is that they only have children after being married after 3+ years. Other changes need to be made but that would have a massive positive impact in the next 20-40 years. Second, read about why David Gudeman was fired. He is the other named party in Jame Damore's lawsuit. He was fired for suggesting that a coworker's interaction with the FBI was not for being Muslim but for other reasons.

by tntn 9y ago

guyzero 9y ago

So you're saying people have been discriminated against in SFBA tech companies for believing in strict immigration policies? This seems like a pretty strong claim and I'm curious what examples you have other than it being something most people don't agree with.

Veelox 9y ago
Being accused of being a racist on an internal company form happen to me.
d1zzy 9y ago
Depends on if that creates a hostile work environment or not. If a lot of your coworkers would be (or believe that they would be) negatively impacted by the policies you publicly support and talk about, then it's reasonable to think that they will have trouble working together with you and it's reasonable to think then that management may not see you expressing these views as something useful or positive for the company. And by "negative" above I do not mean that they would be inconvenienced, I mean that these policies may have drastic consequences on their lives and families, something it is much harder for those people to not have an emotional response to.

seba_dos1 9y ago

Thinking gay marriage shouldn't be legal is not "conservative", it's plain discriminating. Denying abortions to others is a bit muddier, but somewhat similar - forcing your own, not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. I don't know much about ACA, so can't say anything about it. With those three out of sight, I'm really interested in what kind of discrimination people in SFBA tech that are religious or dislike welfare face.

tntn 9y ago
> not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. There is no such thing as a "universally accepted moral code."
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malvosenior 9y ago
> Thinking gay marriage shouldn't be legal is not "conservative", it's plain discriminating While I certainly agree it shouldn't be illegal, there is a long history of religious opposition to this that I don't think it's so simple to hand wave away. Just because we feel strongly that we are obviously in the right, doesn't absolve us from understanding why someone might feel a certain way. > Denying abortions to others is a bit muddier This one goes beyond muddy into clear political territory. For every one person you find that sees pro-life as "denying abortions" you'll find someone who see it as "denying murder". Pushing this debate into the workplace seems beyond a bad idea. > I don't know much about ACA As someone who's premiums more than doubled after the ACA, I think it's fair to say its value is debatable and no one should be fired for sitting on either side of that debate. > forcing your own, not universally accepted moral code on others isn't exactly the nicest thing to do after all. Everyone feels they are living to their own moral code. There is no universally accepted standard, but firing/shaming/blacklisting people for their beliefs is wrong (according to my own moral code).
Veelox 9y ago
> With those three out of sight, I'm really interested in what kind of discrimination people in SFBA tech that are religious or dislike welfare face. While I have not personally voiced the following opinion I have not because it could easily be called racist. I think the thing that would most improve the prospects of African Americans in the US is that they only have children after being married after 3+ years. Other changes need to be made but that would have a massive positive impact in the next 20-40 years. Second, read about why David Gudeman was fired. He is the other named party in Jame Damore's lawsuit. He was fired for suggesting that a coworker's interaction with the FBI was not for being Muslim but for other reasons.