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What we need is a phone that neither the Chinese nor American governments can monitor. Failing that, since I live in the USA, perhaps a phone that the Chinese c

What we need is a phone that neither the Chinese nor American governments can monitor. Failing that, since I live in the USA, perhaps a phone that the Chinese can monitor but the American government cannot (at least until China and USA ink a pact to trade intelligence info). What irks me is why does the government insist upon having the ability to monitor everyone willy-nilly when it has been shown consistently that by far most of the information gathered is worthless for both espionage and criminal investigations?Why not return to the older court-approval method for warrants (and get rid of FISA courts and the FISA system entirely).

adventured 9y ago
What in the world would lead you to believe if the Chinese can monitor your phone, that the US can't? That's so far out there in terms of logic, I can hardly imagine where you're coming from. This entire thread is overloaded with posts that seem to not understand the US intelligence system, its legal authority, how FISA works, how the court system works, et al. I keep seeing people say that they might be better off with their information outside of the US, because China or Russia can't arrest them if they reside in the US. If your information is outside the US, transited to a foreign service provider, you just dramatically increased the US Government's authority to target your information.
- giardini 9y ago
  adventured says >"What in the world would lead you to believe if the Chinese can monitor your phone, that the US can't? That's so far out there in terms of logic, I can hardly imagine where you're coming from." Firstly, What makes you think you know and can state here what I believe? You have no idea. Secondly, I don't believe that. But I do believe that surveillance is a constantly-changing game (like stepping into a river) and a Chinese vendor will be slower to provide updates to USA intelligence agencies than will a domestic vendor. Hell, domestic communications vendors have willingly followed the instructions of the 3-letter agencies. The time lag could allow one to avoid surveillance. adventured says >"This entire thread is overloaded with posts that seem to not understand the US intelligence system, its legal authority, how FISA works, how the court system works, et al." Best to save your breath and worry about the gaps in your own knowledge. adventured says >"I keep seeing people say that they might be better off with their information outside of the US, because China or Russia can't arrest them if they reside in the US. If your information is outside the US, transited to a foreign service provider, you just dramatically increased the US Government's authority to target your information." Firstly, that was true for awhile but not now. Foreign or domestic, your data is being collected and is being examined by computers, indexed and stored for future reference. We're already at "Big Brother". Secondly, I'd like to see the FBI try to bring evidence to a U.S. criminal court that was collected by almost any foreign government's intelligence services. That would be a fast track to dismissal of charges.
neuro_imager 9y ago
I posted a link to a company making secure laptops and iphones on a previous, similar thread and got down-voted and accused of shilling/trolling. If you are interested look for : laptops and phones where you are in control and have complete visibility into the operating system, all bundled software, and the deeper levels of your computer. (The phone has not been released yet.)

adventured 9y ago

What in the world would lead you to believe if the Chinese can monitor your phone, that the US can't? That's so far out there in terms of logic, I can hardly imagine where you're coming from. This entire thread is overloaded with posts that seem to not understand the US intelligence system, its legal authority, how FISA works, how the court system works, et al. I keep seeing people say that they might be better off with their information outside of the US, because China or Russia can't arrest them if they reside in the US. If your information is outside the US, transited to a foreign service provider, you just dramatically increased the US Government's authority to target your information.

giardini 9y ago
adventured says >"What in the world would lead you to believe if the Chinese can monitor your phone, that the US can't? That's so far out there in terms of logic, I can hardly imagine where you're coming from." Firstly, What makes you think you know and can state here what I believe? You have no idea. Secondly, I don't believe that. But I do believe that surveillance is a constantly-changing game (like stepping into a river) and a Chinese vendor will be slower to provide updates to USA intelligence agencies than will a domestic vendor. Hell, domestic communications vendors have willingly followed the instructions of the 3-letter agencies. The time lag could allow one to avoid surveillance. adventured says >"This entire thread is overloaded with posts that seem to not understand the US intelligence system, its legal authority, how FISA works, how the court system works, et al." Best to save your breath and worry about the gaps in your own knowledge. adventured says >"I keep seeing people say that they might be better off with their information outside of the US, because China or Russia can't arrest them if they reside in the US. If your information is outside the US, transited to a foreign service provider, you just dramatically increased the US Government's authority to target your information." Firstly, that was true for awhile but not now. Foreign or domestic, your data is being collected and is being examined by computers, indexed and stored for future reference. We're already at "Big Brother". Secondly, I'd like to see the FBI try to bring evidence to a U.S. criminal court that was collected by almost any foreign government's intelligence services. That would be a fast track to dismissal of charges.

neuro_imager 9y ago

I posted a link to a company making secure laptops and iphones on a previous, similar thread and got down-voted and accused of shilling/trolling. If you are interested look for : laptops and phones where you are in control and have complete visibility into the operating system, all bundled software, and the deeper levels of your computer. (The phone has not been released yet.)