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Also, a lot of the people who were willing to relocate to Seattle are reluctant to stay after years of worsening ostracization and seething resentment.

devmunchies 9y ago
I moved to Seattle almost 2 years ago now. My main reasons for wanting to leave are the 9 sunless months per year and I feel a little put off by people. I can't put my finger on it, its very nuanced.
- traskjd 9y ago
  Hmm, also in Seattle and seem to recall a record long summer last year with 100+ days of no rain (well, one which just managed to trip it by volume at SEATAC in the middle). Personally, I think the whole 'Seattle has horrible' weather is pretty overblown. It's grey for a couple of months. I'm writing this now, in February, to a perfectly blue sky. It is cold, but not grey in the least. I've personally found it more challenging that folks don't seem to socialize much. They just work non-stop throughout the week, then perhaps do something on the weekend. It contrasts quite a lot to when I was in New Zealand where you frequently see your friends after work.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    Seattle summers are basically a drought. Winter is where all the rain comes, and even then it is only about average (notable because it is concentrated in time and fairly continuous but light). Still, native Seattlites will up play the rain issue to keep outsiders away, hehe (Portland and Vancouver, BTW, get more rain than Seattle).
  - ksenzee 9y ago
    "Grey for a couple of months"? Are you an Amazon recruiter? Seattle had nine sunny days over a five-month period last year. It's objectively one of the grayest places in the US. Without the perfect summers we'd be fools to live here.
    - BookmarkSaver 9y ago
      I moved here from Boston. It isn't even a comparison for me. Boston would basically shut down as a city multiple times a winter, roads would get blocked multiple times (and the trains would shut down), the general temp during the main 4ish month stretch of "winter" is a solid 30F lower, and with the windchill it can be actually physically painful to be outside even when properly dressed. More sun is great, but I prefer regular drizzles at 40F to a clear sky in the single-digits punctuated by massive blizzards.
    - marssaxman 9y ago
      The cool, grey, gentle weather is part of what I love about this place!
- walrus01 9y ago
  > I feel a little put off by people. I can't put my finger on it, its very nuanced. New York: aggressive aggressive Seattle or Vancouver: passive aggressive
seibelj 9y ago
For me personally, I cannot ever relocate to Seattle because of the weather. I live in Boston, which has its own issues, but at least it's often sunny during the winter and I can get out for a walk most days. I have a lot of family around Seattle and have visited frequently. One year I visited in May and it rained nonstop, oscillating between a soft drizzle to a torrential downpour, for 10 straight days! Too depressing for me.
- piffey 9y ago
  Perception is a funny thing. Average annual precipitation for each city and sunny days per year: Boston: 43.76in / 137 days Seattle: 34.1in / 152 days https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boston/massachusetts/united-states/usma0046 https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boston/massachusetts/u... https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/seattle/washington/united-states/uswa0395 https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/seattle/washington/uni...
  - wgjordan 9y ago
    From the same dataset: Hours of sunshine during winter months (Dec + Jan + Feb): Boston: 464 Seattle: 235 (-50%) Annual hours of sunshine: Boston: 2615 Seattle: 2019 (-23%) so it's accurate to say that Boston is sunnier than Seattle and much sunnier during the winter.
    - asah 9y ago
      And that's not silicon valley... say Mountain View, CA: - 560+ hours during winter months - 3,070 annual https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,mountain-view-california-us,United-States-of-America https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Tem...
  - spklin 9y ago
    People do form weird perceptions, especially from short trips to places they don't know well, but your numbers are wrong. 137/152 are the number of days w/ precipitation, not sunny days. ie, Seattle has less rain, but more days of precipitation. This is typical comparing Seattle with many other cities: less rain total, but spread over more days. Those more days are concentrated in winter, more so than in is typical in other parts of the country. If you look at the "hours of sunshine" stat over a whole year in your links, the typical seasonal change people complain about in the PNW is right there: Apr - Sep are similar, but Nov - Feb Seattle gets half as much hours of sun. The concentration of gloomy drizzly days in winter is quite real.
jxub 9y ago
Sadly we see tech as a threat more often than a promethean fire for the mankind. Well I guess fire is a kind of chaos itself.
Animats 9y ago
Eventually, as in SF, they will be in the majority and will take over, after which they can ostracize the people who resent them.
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skookumchuck 9y ago
Before Amazon the resentment was directed at Microsoft employees, and before that Boeing employees.

devmunchies 9y ago

I moved to Seattle almost 2 years ago now. My main reasons for wanting to leave are the 9 sunless months per year and I feel a little put off by people. I can't put my finger on it, its very nuanced.

traskjd 9y ago
Hmm, also in Seattle and seem to recall a record long summer last year with 100+ days of no rain (well, one which just managed to trip it by volume at SEATAC in the middle). Personally, I think the whole 'Seattle has horrible' weather is pretty overblown. It's grey for a couple of months. I'm writing this now, in February, to a perfectly blue sky. It is cold, but not grey in the least. I've personally found it more challenging that folks don't seem to socialize much. They just work non-stop throughout the week, then perhaps do something on the weekend. It contrasts quite a lot to when I was in New Zealand where you frequently see your friends after work.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  Seattle summers are basically a drought. Winter is where all the rain comes, and even then it is only about average (notable because it is concentrated in time and fairly continuous but light). Still, native Seattlites will up play the rain issue to keep outsiders away, hehe (Portland and Vancouver, BTW, get more rain than Seattle).
- ksenzee 9y ago
  "Grey for a couple of months"? Are you an Amazon recruiter? Seattle had nine sunny days over a five-month period last year. It's objectively one of the grayest places in the US. Without the perfect summers we'd be fools to live here.
  - BookmarkSaver 9y ago
    I moved here from Boston. It isn't even a comparison for me. Boston would basically shut down as a city multiple times a winter, roads would get blocked multiple times (and the trains would shut down), the general temp during the main 4ish month stretch of "winter" is a solid 30F lower, and with the windchill it can be actually physically painful to be outside even when properly dressed. More sun is great, but I prefer regular drizzles at 40F to a clear sky in the single-digits punctuated by massive blizzards.
  - marssaxman 9y ago
    The cool, grey, gentle weather is part of what I love about this place!
walrus01 9y ago
> I feel a little put off by people. I can't put my finger on it, its very nuanced. New York: aggressive aggressive Seattle or Vancouver: passive aggressive

seibelj 9y ago

For me personally, I cannot ever relocate to Seattle because of the weather. I live in Boston, which has its own issues, but at least it's often sunny during the winter and I can get out for a walk most days. I have a lot of family around Seattle and have visited frequently. One year I visited in May and it rained nonstop, oscillating between a soft drizzle to a torrential downpour, for 10 straight days! Too depressing for me.

piffey 9y ago
Perception is a funny thing. Average annual precipitation for each city and sunny days per year: Boston: 43.76in / 137 days Seattle: 34.1in / 152 days https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boston/massachusetts/united-states/usma0046 https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boston/massachusetts/u... https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/seattle/washington/united-states/uswa0395 https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/seattle/washington/uni...
- wgjordan 9y ago
  From the same dataset: Hours of sunshine during winter months (Dec + Jan + Feb): Boston: 464 Seattle: 235 (-50%) Annual hours of sunshine: Boston: 2615 Seattle: 2019 (-23%) so it's accurate to say that Boston is sunnier than Seattle and much sunnier during the winter.
  - asah 9y ago
    And that's not silicon valley... say Mountain View, CA: - 560+ hours during winter months - 3,070 annual https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,mountain-view-california-us,United-States-of-America https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Tem...
- spklin 9y ago
  People do form weird perceptions, especially from short trips to places they don't know well, but your numbers are wrong. 137/152 are the number of days w/ precipitation, not sunny days. ie, Seattle has less rain, but more days of precipitation. This is typical comparing Seattle with many other cities: less rain total, but spread over more days. Those more days are concentrated in winter, more so than in is typical in other parts of the country. If you look at the "hours of sunshine" stat over a whole year in your links, the typical seasonal change people complain about in the PNW is right there: Apr - Sep are similar, but Nov - Feb Seattle gets half as much hours of sun. The concentration of gloomy drizzly days in winter is quite real.

jxub 9y ago

Sadly we see tech as a threat more often than a promethean fire for the mankind. Well I guess fire is a kind of chaos itself.

Animats 9y ago

Eventually, as in SF, they will be in the majority and will take over, after which they can ostracize the people who resent them.

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skookumchuck 9y ago

Before Amazon the resentment was directed at Microsoft employees, and before that Boeing employees.