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Jordan Peterson's book is a bestseller – except where it matters most
- vgf 9y agoSeems like Canada's largest daily newspaper is stopping just shy of accusing NYT of manipulating their best seller list for e.g. political reasons. This is getting interesting...
- montrose 9y agoYes, reading between the lines, it sounds like they suspect that. They would not have gone into such detail about a mere technicality.
- oligopoly 9y agoIt might not be widely known but the NYT Bestseller list is curated list.
- vgf 9y agoI guess this incident makes it more widely known.
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- olympus 9y agoI thought that the curation was fairly widely known, at least in the community of book lovers. But, in this case they weren't claiming it was excluded from the list because some editor removed it in the interest of "curating," they claimed it was excluded because of a hard rule about not including books that weren't published in the US. It would be nice if someone could find a couple of examples of non-controversial books that made the top of other bestseller lists but that the NYT excluded because they weren't published in the US. That would make it a lot easier to defend the accusations that they are using "Canadian published" as an excuse to keep a book off the list they don't like. There have got to be several publishers in other English speaking countries with very popular books that don't have any US presence that still sold well here.
- jgalt212 9y agoPerhaps, but if so, it's being applied very inconsistently. For example, the Op Ed page has recently been printing pieces that have upset the paper's leftest elite champions. e.g. a piece challenge climate change orthodoxy https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-comple...
- akhilcacharya 9y agoThe "climate change orthodoxy" is the scientific consensus.
- jgalt212 9y agoorthodoxy is an enforcement based method, consensus is survey based method. In any event, the NY Times does often present dissenting views from what one assumes its agenda is. For example, it printing many, many pieces critical of Hillary during the last election cycle.
- akhilcacharya 9y agoThat is true, this one always stands out and has not aged well at all. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-el...
- dekhn 9y agoThe NY Times has been printing op eds that are the opposite of the paper's editors political philosophy. See for example, this William F Buckley editorial suggesting we should tattoo a letter 'A' on the backside of gay men with HIV/AIDS: http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/07/16/specials/buckley-aids.html http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/07/16/specials/buckley-aids.... There's nothing recent about this. Also, I think we should have the strongest written rebuttals to climate change that we can have, from an intellectual honesty point of view.
- yostrovs 9y agoThe Times list, along with most everything else in the paper, as per their motto of "all the news that's fit to print," is essentially the sphere of approved thinking that a certain part of the populace approves of.
- Feniks 9y agoYou took the red pill ;) humans are group animals, we're constantly influencing each other. Individuality is a myth.
- wand3r 9y agoI believe that those 2 statements aren't mutually exclusive. To paraphrase Peterson it is important to participate in groups as we progress into society from a dependent child relying on our parents into the various groups we socialize in. It is important to have a strong sense of self and individuality but equally important to know how to participate in groups and when to hold societal norms and when to challenge group psychology.
- Gatellicited 9y agoyostrovs is too polite to say it, but that segment of the population to which he alludes are American Jewry, who demonstrably wield disproportionate influence across America and consequently the world. If you doubt this, just look at the principals of the major American media, finance, and political advocacy organizations and count the Jews. Predictably, whether by conscious nepotism or accidental bias, they employ people who share their own hereditary interests and innate philosophy, shaping the company into one which is in conflict with the host nation's people.
- dkoubsky 9y agoRelated: "Why is controversial professor Jordan Peterson so popular?" https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2018/02/07/why-is-jordan-peterson-so-popular.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2018/02/07/why-...
- anon11082016 9y agoMan, I love how totally valid and normal thought is now labeled as "controversial". You gotta flag wrong-thinkers from the getgo right? Can't let anyone have any wrong ideas.
- platz 9y agohttp://www.econtalk.org/archives/2018/02/helen_pluckrose.html http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2018/02/helen_pluckrose.htm...
- olympus 9y agoI agree with many of his ideas and I agree with the label controversial. A lot of people like his ideas, and a lot of people hate them. That's pretty much the definition of controversial. They didn't use the headline to call him bigoted or misogynistic, which I could imagine some other publications doing.
- internetman55 9y agoDoesn't he get protested all over by various groups? So by observation I think he is controversial, though I also haven't really heard anything from him that sounded exceedingly inflammatory or anything
- brickmort 9y agoI was thinking the same thing. His ideas aren't really what I would consider controversial, I'm actually baffled that it's labeled as such.
- wand3r 9y agoI liked his (Jordan Peterson) explanation of James Damores paper. It seems rooted in biological facts and there was extensive research that was scientifically accepted cited. I really like Peterson and I think his critiques are really valid. His most recent appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast really interested me and I found it both novel and a great scientific exploration of social & biological concepts. I don't understand the controversy around him tbh.
- retox 9y agoIt feels in some quarters like there is a focussed, well organised effort to take Dr. Peterson down, either by slandering or by association. Some people are genuinely afraid of his way or thinking and will go to any lengths to poison the well.
- yetanotheruser 9y agoI thought this analysis was interesting. http://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/canadaland-guide-jordan-b-peterson/ http://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/canadaland-guide-jorda...
- deyan 9y agoDo you have a link to his explanation?
- wand3r 9y agoHere is one of the clips from Joe Rogan it's ~14mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jF4qwo4Yg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jF4qwo4Yg0.
- hacker314159 9y agoIt’s the NY Times. How is this a surprise?
- brickmort 9y agoDr Peterson's recent discussion with Ben Shapiro is one of the best conversations I've heard in a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRPDGEgaATU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRPDGEgaATU