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Weird that religion isn't mentioned -- possibly too contentious -- but I thought the correlation within societies of high religiosity and reduced education oppo
by Jedd 9y ago
Weird that religion isn't mentioned -- possibly too contentious -- but I thought the correlation within societies of high religiosity and reduced education opportunities for (or just general resistantance to the empowerment of) women was fairly well understood.
Tracking changes in religious beliefs in different demographics can give us some good predictive insight.
- kasey_junk 9y agoIn previous studies of this I thought they had shown that when correcting for women’s education levels & wealth religion largely didn’t play much part.
- eximius 9y agoI think his point is that religion can be a causal factor of women education. I.e., suppression of women in extreme sects of Christianity and Islam.
- tim333 9y agoI'm trying to think of any Christian countries where they don't educate women. I don't think it's a statistically significant thing.
- eximius 9y agoMost Christian countries aren't dominated by Christian extremists. Look to cults or isolated sects, though, and you'll find the hallmarks of true patriarchal oppression.
- throwaway080383 9y agoOr perhaps (women's) education leads to abandoning religion.
- 534b44a 9y agoThere are many variables to this. I believe politics/economics, culture and religion do have their fair share of weight. For example communist countries, which have been ideologically opposite to religion, provided higher education to women, compulsory even. On the other hand I've read that in Nazi Germany women were also given quite a lot of rights and work responsibilities. I just yesterday searched github to investigate female employers of the likes of google and microsoft. A significant amount of them were Chinese or Indian. It's really about how much resources a country invests in free (university level) education.
- adrianN 9y agoMost Muslims in Germany are not particularly extreme and send their daughters to school just like their sons and yet they have a much higher fertility rate that other groups in Germany.
- burfog 9y agoSending daughters to school is mandatory in Germany. It tells you nothing. Saudi Arabia has been complaining to the EU about extremist views being taught in European mosques.
- Proof 9y agoWhen you say SA has been complaining about Euro Mosques teaching Extreamism, which definition of Extreamism are you referring to? The formal one or what Saudis find Extreme? If it is the latter, then Saudis’ complaints would be laughable and ironic since their Human Rights’ record isn’t what anyone would laud them for.
- burfog 9y agoNo different than this: If somebody from Finland thinks your country is too cold in the winter, your country is absurdly cold.
- adrianN 9y agoIt tells me that female Muslims are about as well educated as male Muslims in Germany. From what I hear from teachers, they do better in school than their male peers. I don't disagree that there are some extremist Muslims in Germany, but I don't think that there are enough extremists to explain the large disparity in fertility between Muslims and non-Muslims.
- lacker 9y agoThere are certainly specific religious groups that have much higher fertility, even when controlling for everything else. For example: https://medium.com/migration-issues/how-long-until-were-all-amish-268e3d0de87 https://medium.com/migration-issues/how-long-until-were-all-...
- kasey_junk 9y agoWait. That study suggests that economic factors are impacting Amish fertility rates at similar levels as other groups. So a religious sect, extremely outside the mainstream also sees fertility declines in line with the rest of the population around them.
- closeparen 9y agoIs it a good idea to tell a census taker you’re not religious in a country where women don’t have access to education?
- tim333 9y agoI'm not sure religion correlates that well. Countries like Italy are the centre of the catholic faith but have high education and low birth rates, sub saharan Africa is kind of the opposite.