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Meanwhile: The Nissan Leaf is expanding where it is being sold. https://electrek.co/2018/02/06/nissan-new-leaf-sales-seven-additional-markets/ https://electre

by sien 9y ago

Meanwhile: The Nissan Leaf is expanding where it is being sold. https://electrek.co/2018/02/06/nissan-new-leaf-sales-seven-additional-markets/ https://electrek.co/2018/02/06/nissan-new-leaf-sales-seven-a... There are now 300K Nissan Leaf's on roads: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastianblanco/2018/01/09/nissan-leaf-300000-sales-global/#5b27e5b41cf6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastianblanco/2018/01/09/niss... Kudos to Tesla for pioneering and kicking off electric cars.

adsfasdfsad111 9y ago
Wow, I haven't been following Nissan recently, but is that really their electric car? Looks terrible :( Really goes to show how far behind Tesla's competitors are.
Waterluvian 9y ago
Surely there's a term for this? A company exhausts its resources blazing the trail for those behind it.
- aesthethiccs 9y ago
  First mover and Fast Followers, I think these are the terms your looking for.
- blang 9y ago
  Second rat gets the cheese.
gamblor956 9y ago
The Leaf has been in mass production since at least 2010, predating all Teslas but the Roadster, a limited edition vehicle based on the Lotus Elise chassis (edit) first designed sometime in 2004 or 2005(end edit). The Leaf itself first premiered in 1997 as a prototype at the LA Auto Show, and was sold in similar numbers to the Roadster over the next decade until the production model was released in 2010. Why is Tesla getting kudos for something Nissan did first?
- adventured 9y ago
  Why is Nissan supposed to get credit for something GM did first? edit: cute downvotes, but the fact is GM was the modern pioneer on electric vehicles. "The General Motors EV1 was an electric car produced and leased by General Motors from 1996 to 1999. It was the first mass-produced and purpose-designed electric vehicle of the modern era from a major automaker" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
  - gamblor956 9y ago
    Lol, Nissan shouldn't either. I didn't bother to do an exhaustive dive into EV history, just the two brands in the OP's comment. If you want to be technical about it though, then Pope Mfg deserves credit first the first mass-produced EV, released in...1897. (see http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html)
  - Retric 9y ago
    EV1 was never sold to the public. It was only operated as a lease program at a loss in response to a California mandate.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      It wasn't an in-house test program. They were leased to the public in California, as GM s way of working within an incentive/mandate system that existed at the time (Toyota’s original RAV4 EV and Honda's EV+ were, as well.)
      - Retric 9y ago
        Total EV1's sold to the public. 0 Cost to produce, 500,000$ each. GM had zero interest in rolling these things out to the public and it showed.
        cptskippy 9y ago
pavon 9y ago
Man I wish it was more widely available in the US. I've been interested in once since they were first released, but they were never available to test drive in NM when I looked. I know that someone must be selling them because I occasionally see them on the road, maybe I just have bad timing. I finally gave up last month and bought a Bolt because I'm convinced that GM will hit the 200k federal tax credit before the 2018 Leaf is available here. I love my new Bolt, but wish I could have compared with the Leaf first as it is a much more affordable car, and has sufficient range for our purposes.
- ams6110 9y ago
  The Bolt looks to be a much more useful vehicle, with a range of over 100 miles more than the Leaf. I'm not crazy about the styling, but that's just personal preference. I wish automakers didn't feel the need to make EVs so gaudy and quirky looking. They just scream "look at me I'm a complete nerd!!" Tesla is the only one who gets this right.
  - pavon 9y ago
    I could see it being more useful in an area with a large metropolitan area or many closely spaced towns. In a more sparse state like NM, that extra 90 miles round trip isn't big enough to make much of a difference, unless charging stations expand significantly in the future. We bought it knowing full well that we would take our other vehicle out of town most of the time.
  - twelve40 9y ago
    There are some attempts to make normal cars electric. The current one is VW Golf, it's small but it's a regular-looking car that also has a fully electric version.
yakitori 9y ago
Tesla didn't pioneer nor kick off electric cars. The only thing they did is market well. They are the kings of marketing.
- adventured 9y ago
  They did in fact ignite the electric car market. The attempts to deny them credit for that are fascinating. Every major auto manufacturer is aggressively moving to electric vehicles because of the spark that Tesla provided. It wasn't the Nissan Leaf that caused BMW to freak out and radically alter their plans and move everything toward electric. The same goes for all the rest of the automakers. It'd be like pretending the iPhone didn't set off the smartphone boom, because hey the blackberry existed.
  - balnaphone 9y ago
    "The iPhone didn't set off the smartphone boom, because hey the blackberry existed." My sentiments exactly, and I can't understand what you're trying to say here. You've defeated your own point.
- deleted 9y ago
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- FullyFunctional 9y ago
  That's pretty funny right there as Tesla has no marketing budget to speak off. Kindly tell me last time you saw a Tesla ad (made by Tesla)? Electric cars are as old as ICE cars (look up Baker Electric for one's). That's beside the point. What Tesla did was to produce an electric car that was truly desirable and from many metrics, better than an ICE car. You simply cannot deny Tesla's massive impact on the car industry, even GM have publicly acknowledged it.
ImNotBeingADick 9y ago
I'm starting to think that Prius and Leaf and other EVs are making the car look sooo bad on purpose. The car gets the best mileage per charge in town (hybrids anyway), so "wind efficient" isn't really a thing.

by sien 9y ago

adsfasdfsad111 9y ago

Wow, I haven't been following Nissan recently, but is that really their electric car? Looks terrible :( Really goes to show how far behind Tesla's competitors are.

Waterluvian 9y ago

Surely there's a term for this? A company exhausts its resources blazing the trail for those behind it.

aesthethiccs 9y ago
First mover and Fast Followers, I think these are the terms your looking for.
blang 9y ago
Second rat gets the cheese.

gamblor956 9y ago

The Leaf has been in mass production since at least 2010, predating all Teslas but the Roadster, a limited edition vehicle based on the Lotus Elise chassis (edit) first designed sometime in 2004 or 2005(end edit). The Leaf itself first premiered in 1997 as a prototype at the LA Auto Show, and was sold in similar numbers to the Roadster over the next decade until the production model was released in 2010. Why is Tesla getting kudos for something Nissan did first?

adventured 9y ago
Why is Nissan supposed to get credit for something GM did first? edit: cute downvotes, but the fact is GM was the modern pioneer on electric vehicles. "The General Motors EV1 was an electric car produced and leased by General Motors from 1996 to 1999. It was the first mass-produced and purpose-designed electric vehicle of the modern era from a major automaker" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
- gamblor956 9y ago
  Lol, Nissan shouldn't either. I didn't bother to do an exhaustive dive into EV history, just the two brands in the OP's comment. If you want to be technical about it though, then Pope Mfg deserves credit first the first mass-produced EV, released in...1897. (see http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html)
- Retric 9y ago
  EV1 was never sold to the public. It was only operated as a lease program at a loss in response to a California mandate.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    It wasn't an in-house test program. They were leased to the public in California, as GM s way of working within an incentive/mandate system that existed at the time (Toyota’s original RAV4 EV and Honda's EV+ were, as well.)
    - Retric 9y ago
      Total EV1's sold to the public. 0 Cost to produce, 500,000$ each. GM had zero interest in rolling these things out to the public and it showed.
      - cptskippy 9y ago

pavon 9y ago

Man I wish it was more widely available in the US. I've been interested in once since they were first released, but they were never available to test drive in NM when I looked. I know that someone must be selling them because I occasionally see them on the road, maybe I just have bad timing. I finally gave up last month and bought a Bolt because I'm convinced that GM will hit the 200k federal tax credit before the 2018 Leaf is available here. I love my new Bolt, but wish I could have compared with the Leaf first as it is a much more affordable car, and has sufficient range for our purposes.

ams6110 9y ago
The Bolt looks to be a much more useful vehicle, with a range of over 100 miles more than the Leaf. I'm not crazy about the styling, but that's just personal preference. I wish automakers didn't feel the need to make EVs so gaudy and quirky looking. They just scream "look at me I'm a complete nerd!!" Tesla is the only one who gets this right.
- pavon 9y ago
  I could see it being more useful in an area with a large metropolitan area or many closely spaced towns. In a more sparse state like NM, that extra 90 miles round trip isn't big enough to make much of a difference, unless charging stations expand significantly in the future. We bought it knowing full well that we would take our other vehicle out of town most of the time.
- twelve40 9y ago
  There are some attempts to make normal cars electric. The current one is VW Golf, it's small but it's a regular-looking car that also has a fully electric version.

yakitori 9y ago

Tesla didn't pioneer nor kick off electric cars. The only thing they did is market well. They are the kings of marketing.

adventured 9y ago
They did in fact ignite the electric car market. The attempts to deny them credit for that are fascinating. Every major auto manufacturer is aggressively moving to electric vehicles because of the spark that Tesla provided. It wasn't the Nissan Leaf that caused BMW to freak out and radically alter their plans and move everything toward electric. The same goes for all the rest of the automakers. It'd be like pretending the iPhone didn't set off the smartphone boom, because hey the blackberry existed.
- balnaphone 9y ago
  "The iPhone didn't set off the smartphone boom, because hey the blackberry existed." My sentiments exactly, and I can't understand what you're trying to say here. You've defeated your own point.
deleted 9y ago
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FullyFunctional 9y ago
That's pretty funny right there as Tesla has no marketing budget to speak off. Kindly tell me last time you saw a Tesla ad (made by Tesla)? Electric cars are as old as ICE cars (look up Baker Electric for one's). That's beside the point. What Tesla did was to produce an electric car that was truly desirable and from many metrics, better than an ICE car. You simply cannot deny Tesla's massive impact on the car industry, even GM have publicly acknowledged it.

ImNotBeingADick 9y ago

I'm starting to think that Prius and Leaf and other EVs are making the car look sooo bad on purpose. The car gets the best mileage per charge in town (hybrids anyway), so "wind efficient" isn't really a thing.